Supreme Court Declines to Consider Saving Stan "Tookie" Williams

October 11, 2005: The Supreme Court today ruled against Tookie, disregarding 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the prosecuting District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This ruling means that minorities can now legally be summarily rejected from juries based on race. Tookie could be given an execution date as soon as January 2006.

Does this Tookie claim he is innocent and wrongfully convicted?

I think it is the fact that he has denounced his past life and has been awarded the Nobel peace for his writings. He has a plan to change the communities that are affected by gangs. Can we say that about our current government? Even in the bible Elijah's Prayer
This story is about a prophet named Elijah. Elijah was a regular man who made mistakes, who was afraid sometimes, yet when it really mattered he trusted God. Elijah did amazing things with God's help and God did amazing things for Elijah.
Maybe just maybe this man had to go through what he did to see the true face of god and understand his true path of leadership.

According to Stan's own words in the true life story film on him, 'REDEMPTION', tookie himself confessed and dispelled that violence brings about Damage and hate, an irreparable loss of love,we then know that that the US supreme court acts contrary to this statement of truth.
For the initial juror to bring together singularly, an all white 'bench' of judges, then, racism, injustice, and biasim has been instilled. Therefore the court should take this very seriously and quickly reach a verdict of acquitance, for the sake of our children tomorrow and most importantly the black community.

Regardless of the idiotic behavior of a racist creep, it does not take away from the fact that this man killed people. Many people. And inspired others to kill people. Many people. His redemption will come when he meets his maker. If God chooses to forgive him, then so be it. We are to obey the laws of man, whether we agree with them or not.

Although I normally find the Canadian legal far too lenient, in the case of Stan "Tookie" Williams who has redeemed himself and been "rehabilitated" (with or without the help of the judcial system), I am proud to say that we do not have Capital Punishment in Canada. After all of these years and after all Williams has accomplished, what does killing him really accomplish??? Only that another family is destroyed and another mother loses her son. And to have had such an unfair trial filled with a jury of white folk makes this even harder for me to make sense of.

I really hate the fact that a country that hates murder will murder. There is no other way to look at it. If we jail people for killing and then we turn around and kill what are we teaching people in this place we call civilized. I hope that Arnold(someone who killed people for a living in movies) will grant him the option to have life without parole so that he can continue to make a difference in the life of so many influential children, even if it's from the inside.

So did Bush.

"Who are we to Judge" we dont have the right to condemn a man to death...why are we trying to play God when we are not. If his innocent or guilty, he doesnt deserve death...who are we to say you are guilty and deserve to die...thats not right and we better snap out of it...and what happen to life in prison without parol instead of death penalty.

To disregard the illegal actions of the prosecutors ("law abiding citizens?") in this case and justify their actions with evidence against Tookie that it clearly circumstantial is first, unconstitutional and overall, inhumane. It's ok for representatives of the law to break the law of mankind?!!. How hypocritical is that? We are all protected by the "law of man" or we are supposed to be. And in reference to your comment about his redemption when he meets his maker...God forgives. He has already been redeemed.

"Who are we to judge?" Society does judge, every day. That's what the justice system does. There is a right and a wrong. he was convicted of personally killing four people I beleive, not to mention starting a gang responsible for the deaths of thousands.

His actions in prison are commendable, but just becuase a death row inmate writes a book-writes poetry-gets religion-etc does not change anything. If you are against the death penalty fine, but don't use the excuse that you think he is innocent. The guy is guilty and I bet none of you calling for clemency has spent one minute thinking about his victims families.

It's been over 20 years that he has served his time, isn't that enough, do any of us know that what he was charged with that it actually did it? I knew him from my neighborhood and school, and no, I would not say he killed, and if he was the head of a gang does that mean he killed anyone? Think about it? I know, I know, having someone do it for you is just as bad.
I grew up around him and never did he disrespect me in anyway. And the person that I am nooe believes tha I knew him. But I did. He he was no punk and would stand up for him self or you if he knew you. And I know he made a lot ofbad choices, but so have a lot of people. you need to know him, don't just assume because what you hear or read that it was true, i knew him, and I can not believe that he did what he was accused if. But only he and God knows. not you, nor me, but I believe in him and I believe that he should be given a 2nd chance. Please reinvestigate. and let God be the judge he has served his time.

I beleive his sentence has been served, release him let him go, allow him to be a mentor to the youth and gangs of today, they are more detrimental than the gangs of the 70th. They may listen to him, Because he is wise he has a story to tell.
We need all the help we can get to end this war with gags that continue to kill today.

Maybe they can learn from his mistake, allow him to continue his work, through his writinh and his books, who knows he may be the one that can make a difference, do we continue to punish him for something that he may not have done, he has been in prison almost half o h0is life, sentence served, we have raptist that torture children that are out on the street.
He too said he is innocent do anyone know if he really did it,
he was not the only leader in his time. I am from that era, i know.Allow him a second chance I am sure that he is rehabilated, Relese him let him go. H ehas work to do, let him reach others through his books

he was convicted of personally killing four people I beleive, not to mention starting a gang responsible for the deaths of thousands.

so he wrote a book, big deal!
it will not make up for all the people who have died as a result of his gang.
tookie deserves death

The United States of America has no right to order for some one to be killed no matter the circumstances. What kind of justice system do we have if we call killing a man who killed others justice. No one on this earth has the right to kill or judge anyone, the only person who has this right is Jesus Christ. The sixth commandment of the ten commandments says "Thou shalt not kill." And that is exactly what the U.united S.states A.assasins are doing.

I have a simple question. This man is asking for clemency while I have to wonder....what have the last 26 years been?

Another question. Where's the clemency for the victims that he was convicted of killing and the thousands of victims affected by this man's choices (or lessons on how to NOT leave witnesses)?

Another question. If this man, who is supposed to be "Redeemed" (according to the movie that was supposed to be based on his life), where is he accepting responsibility for his actions? I'm not talking about a vague "apology" to the thousands of black boys around the world. I'm talking about the families of the people HE killed!

Another question. Everyone's talking about the books he has written while on death row. Has anyone thought about what else he has done while on death row?

Letting Tookie out of jail would be one of the greatest travesties of justice ever commited in L.A. and that is saying a hell of a lot. There is no doubt that there is a certain element of him being a fallguy for the entire creation of the gang culture in South Central--a creation more of White Governance than any individual Black man. But he is THE founding father of the most destructive and deadly black street gang in U.S. history.

Now, if you are against the death penalty I can understand putting resources into a clemency fight--but I think anyone who gets motivation for this fight because this is a Black man, is an idiot and a racist. Putting Tookie to death, to me, would be no different than if you somehow managed to find a 170yr old founding member of the KKK and put him to death.

You can argue about the morals of killing someone--but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear for either, killed by the state or simply locked away.

And don't be retarded. You think the little bitch 15yr old punks screaming around S-Central at night with Mac-10s give two f*cks about whether or not some old man--even the original OG like Tookie--writes a f*cking book?! You think these little faggots are reading? The only causes served by Tookie remaining alive in jail, rather than put to death are to go easier on his family, increase the bill of his crimes to taxpayers, and show the current batch of teenage murderers, rapists and junkies that you can be one of the most notorious criminals in U.S. History and still be kept alive on the state's dime.

I, personally, would be happier with an eye-for-an-eye, here on Earth. Let God judge him soon--and may God judge me for my judgements many decades hence.

It is interesting to note that people aoutmatically assume that an all white jury is racist. Also noteworthy, he has been giving 29yrs of life he should have never have had. That is one more day and second that he gav to those people he killed. To say let him go, he did his time is utter bullshit. Let me tell you, if he had kill my loved one, I would have wished him dead.

Just because re "redeemed" himself and wrote some books means nothing to me. For those of you who want him to live, go speak to the families he has destroyed because of his action. Let him die already.

It is interesting to note that people aoutmatically assume that an all white jury is racist. Also noteworthy, he has been giving 29yrs of life he should have never have had. That is one more day and second that he gav to those people he killed. To say let him go, he did his time is utter bullshit. Let me tell you, if he had kill my loved one, I would have wished him dead.

Just because re "redeemed" himself and wrote some books means nothing to me. For those of you who want him to live, go speak to the families he has destroyed because of his action. Let him die already.

It is interesting to note that people aoutmatically assume that an all white jury is racist. Also noteworthy, he has been giving 29yrs of life he should have never have had. That is one more day and second that he gav to those people he killed. To say let him go, he did his time is utter bullshit. Let me tell you, if he had kill my loved one, I would have wished him dead.

Just because re "redeemed" himself and wrote some books means nothing to me. For those of you who want him to live, go speak to the families he has destroyed because of his action. Let him die already.

For those who object to the example of the wild animals - please explain why this is racist. Because you say it is? You'll have to do better than that.
I think the analogy is appropriate to anyone who brutally murders 4 people, regardless of their color, except that few, if any, wild animals kill without good reason. So the animals are the ones who should complain.
For those of you who complain that the death penalty is racist because millionaires and billionaires aren't executed - how many such people do you know of who personally killed 4 people in cold blood?
For those of you who object to execution on the grounds that he has reformed himself, where were you a couple years ago when a female prisoner was executed after she accepted Christ? She didn't even ASK for clemency, she said she was guilty and accepted the penalty (which I guess makes her more of a man than Tookie), and liberals screamed that we better NOT let her off on the basis of religion!!!
To those who say we can't execute murderers based on the Biblical "thou shalt not kill", you need to actually READ the Bible - it's not referring to punishment,as the same book gives, in the same Old Testament, many crimes for which execution is not only accepted, but is actually required.

FIRST OFF I WOULD LYKE 2 SAY FUCK ALL YALL WHO WISH TOOKIE DEAD...ON ONE COMMENT THAT PERSON SAID KILL HIM ALREADY..WHAT IF HE WUS YOUR LOVED ONE..ONE YOU HAVNT SEEN IN 29 YRS. WHO IS ABOUT TO BE EXECUTED..WOUL DYOU STILL SAY THE SAME THING.?TOOKIE IS A KING IN L.A. HE WILL NEVER DIE OUT.HE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED WEATHER THEY EXECUTE HIM OR THEY DONT.AND YEA HE STARTED A NOTORIOUS STREET GANG THE CRIPS. HE CAUSED LIVES TO BE TAKEN BUT HE SAVED MANY LIVES.DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YOUNG TEENS NEED SOME KIND OF FAMILY IN THEIR LIFE. AND HE MADE THAT POSSIBE BY MAKING A HOME FOR THEM.FAMILY. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.TOOKIE KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.

Personally, if somone killed my whole family I still wouldn't wish the death penalty on them. Yea, I would be pissed and I would certainly wish for these people to be humiliated, but the death penalty is dehumanizing. It isn't justice, it's vengeance, and there is a difference. I cannot believe the hate that people have toward another person. After all, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Don't try and justify your beliefs with the bible, they are refuted in the new testament. Unless you are Jewish you have no argument.

Yes, that was me wishing he was dead already. He was given an additional 29yrs of life that he should have never had. That was his clemency.

For Deonce:WHAT IF HE WUS YOUR LOVED ONE..ONE YOU HAVNT SEEN IN 29 YRS.

Do you mean the families of the people he killed, right? Is that whom you are referring too?

Cry that crap to someone else. He killed those people for no justifiable reason. Then count in how many people his gang has destroyed. Now, compare that to what he is today. Sorry but doesn't come close in my book. Think about, your baby girl is killed because of a stray bullet from a gang conflict. Lets let the guy go because he wrote some books. Boo fucking hoo. No, you send him to trial and convict him and kill him. I have no love for a person like that.

Stop weeping for the ma whi is the destroyer and voice your concern for the families who have suffered by his hand.

I think if you want him to die you are retarded yes he killed those guy but think of it, were they trying to kill him. It's kill or be killed stupid!

People should watch a movie called 12 Angry Men before even starting a reflection on the death penalty. "If there is any form of doubt then the defendant cannnot be sentenced to death" is the main message..
Please stop bringing Jesus and God into this debate. These characters have justified way too many deaths to be considered as references. As we can see the bible is able to justify our claims both ways. Something must be wrong in the good book.
The USA is one of the last rich countries to maintain death penalty even Japan is backing down. Could the reference to God in the constitution have anything to do with it?
Also the Death penalty has never reduced crime in a proven way.
Finally show me someone who was no longer sad after their loved one's murderer was executed. There is no compensation to somebodies death.

Can't wait for him to die...Maybe he should have thought about his own mortality while he executed those people. Please, oh please execute him on that given day.

How can people be so evil? I mean, don't Jesus preach about forgiveness,Love your neighbor as thyself? Dont you know in God's eyesight we are all guilty?All you peopole wishing death on Stan will have to answer to judgement one day, you may laugh reading this but it is true and it is coming.My prayers and thoughts still go out to the family of the four victims killed 26 yrs ago, but who's to say it was Tookie? Police couldv'e tampered with the evidence,besides they wanted him put away anyway, now to think he may die and could've very well been innocent for THAT crime, makes me sick to my gutt. Stan my family and I pray God's blessing on you through your clemency, and if you dont get an approval your Heavenly father is waiting to give you your CROWN of life.You will get to meet our Saviour the world once and still hates. We love you, our brother in Christ.

Who's to say it was tookie? How about a court of law found him guilty. His appeals were denied. He has been given 29 extra years in which he did some good. However, 29yrs does not absolve you of guilt or of your due punishment. Besides, as THE representative of a notorius gang, he still has much to answer for. Nobel nomination, children books and awards do not mean shit to me, when you have killed 4 people and are responsible for whole lot more.

For those you who think he should be let out. You are out of your fucking mind.

It is amazing, when confronted with your own mortality, you start looking for ways to prolong your life, no matter what crime you commited. As though this should absolve him of any wrong doing.

Release the gas...

I take a look routinely at many of the indymedia sites around the world. So far I have not come across such a high proportion of posters that seem to advocate the death penalty - I must say its a little disconcerting. The HRW routinely condemns the death penalty, as do many countries, from the west to the east.

How can a country which claims such a righteous attitude regarding the rest of the world be so un-developed regarding human-rights?

Perhaps it has something to do with this idea that 'god will sort them out' if you happen to be wrong ... in Europe we try to exclude our religious beliefs from the 'execution' of the law.

Hopefully the US will come into line with this reasoning some day soon.

Kind Regards,

Derek Lane

To Daniel:

Here is what you wrote:
I think if you want him to die you are retarded yes he killed those guy but think of it, were they trying to kill him. It's kill or be killed stupid!

Here is my response:
My father was working in a 7/11 convenience store the night that Tookie decided to teach fellow gang members how NOT to leave witnesses. the first store they stopped at, he decided was not feasible for what he was needing, so he drove down the street to the store where my father was working. He was tied up, made to get down on his knees, and was then shot in the face. To top it off, Tookie made fun of the sounds my father made as he was dying, thus eliminating any possibility of a dignified death that Tookie will be receiving. Now tell me, how in the world was my father's death a situation that called for "kill or be killed stupid" as you so eloquently put it?

For anyone that that would care to read an article giving an overview of the case thus far, here is one that is pretty recent:
No Clemency For Tookie

And, yes, I really am the daughter of the man who was killed in the 7/11 store. I'm not speaking out of vengeance. I'm long past that. Nothing will ever bring my father back. However, I do believe that people need to take responsibility for their actions. In the 20 odd years that this has been going on, this is the one thing that Tookie has refused to do. He has spent his whole life avoiding this very essential lesson in life.

coming from watts & compton and being an ex-crip, and i do mean X, i do see justification for tookies termination. my brother was killed by a blood gang member when i became a christian. i was furious and wanted to retaliate. it's not worth it. tookie killed those people. i remeber when he did it even though i was young, my brothers ran with tookie in the 70's and i remember the hype. my cousian lifted weights with tookie & big munson and all three of them were huge. huge know is the heart of "all' the victims of gang violence. tookie reveled in his power, but now cowares in his cell when "ceasers" bill must be paid in blood. render unto ceaser, the things which are ceasers. and unto God the thing that are God's. tookies blood belongs to the state, but his soul can still belong to God. but first he must admit to mankind, his crimes before God can except him into his kingdom. not confessing to us, is daming his soul for eternity! by the way, the cops caught the gang member who killed my brother, but he walked because of lack of evidence. he then grinded at my brothers widow and walked out of court that day!

Im sorry but the sentence of death is not required . In my country the highly sentence is the perpetuity and everybody is happy .. I dont give a damn about the bible , im not christian and i dont see why at every time something hapen , you gotta say "the bible says ..." but we dont give a fuck about god says , the fact is that tookie born , begins sellin drugs and create a gang : Crips , some guys get in to and tookie with his gang killed people but , we wanna judge tookie but what the bloodz did? why we dont judge the bloodz too? the bloodz did the same thing that the crips did , so they might have the same judgement and the same sentence , but the question still is the same why 'deathrow" ? we can put him behind bars for the rest of his life and itll be straight but you dont even thought to it huh? the perpetuity is better coz the guilty dont have to worry about his death , my advice is that i prefer stay the rest of my life in jail instead die , but why the US dont abolish the suprem sentence? I dont even know why... A man can change in one day but the United Stated still dont give a fuck ,think about it , if a man kill another man he can goes to the death row .. 2 dead instead 1 , thats do a lot of death if you count all the criminal...

That was thw dumbest thing I have ever read. Yea, two mem dead. Considering one is already dead I hav no qualms about executing a man who committed murder.

Perhaps I was too personal, or perhaps it takes awhile for comments to be posted. I am concerned that people like "Ray" are allowed to post such hateful comments on this website. Other than profanities, this person is so full of hate, and so eager to spew such hate, that he does not correctly spell such words as "the"..he spells "thw"; "men"....he spells "mem"; and "have"....he spells "hav". I avoid people like this at all times. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. And this "Ray" person - I cannot believe that he is of any benefit to any society. And yet this individual passes judgement on Mr. Williams. He needs to tend to his own garden.

Tookie was the epitomy of violence, hatred, evil; but that was a long time ago. In 29 years one has many chances to reflect on what one has done. Yes, what Tookie has done in his past is disgusting. He murdered four people..ruined the lives of them and their families...and though that may be unforgivable, that does not give us the right to murder him. That is not what the prison system is for. There is no rehabilitation in a gas chamber or in a needle. What one has to look at is what Tookie is doing now. Yeah, he wrote a few books (as Ray so simply put it); think of the ramification those books have had. Think of how many people have been deterred from gang life...meaning think of how many lives have been ultimately saved due to Tookie's books. Nobody is letting the man out of prison, but no man has the right to kill Tookie, otherwise we would be no better than him. If for no other reason let Tookie live because of the good he is doing now and the good that he can continue to do.

There is alot going on in this comment. I read all of the other comments and decided to include my responses to them.

First of all, If we continued to obey the laws of man......
a) there would still be slavery, b) if Non-Whites could get on the bus--they would have to sit in the back, c) Non-Whites would still be told that they could only be porters, cooks, and maids-not doctors, lawyers, or teachers, d) Women and children would still be treated like property...The list can go on and on. But thank God there were people who saw past the laws of man and saw what was right.
Second, one thing that has to be realized is that people can change. There are plenty of people in prison/jail who are not "rehabilitated" and will never be a contributing member of society. However, Tookie did what so many sinners have done: realized the errors of their way and changed. He even made a MAJOR impact on the world. According to the Bible, The wages of sin is death. Sinners include liars, adulterers, fornicators, AND murderers, among countless others. But I would like to point out that God does not put a size on sin....man does. So, before we condemn a man to death for his wrong doings, we need to look at our own and see how we would like to be treated if we were in the same situation. If a lot of people were more sympathetic instead of apathetic the world would be a better place.
Third, it is more of a punishment to live with the fact that you have taken life than to put the murderer to death. I believe that Tookie took the guilt that he was feeling and used it as motivation to try and give back a little of what was taken.. although nothing ever replaces life.
Fourth, I would also like to point out that some people didn't come from the "nice side of town" where they deliver pizza after dusk, the taxi takes you to your front door, and you aren't lulled to sleep by the sound of gunfire. When these kids go outside to play, they see drug dealers, hookers, and the local crack heads. If all you see everyday is chaos, that is all you know unless someone else shows you different. So...my question to you is "What have you shown a young person today?"

I would also like to add that I have lost 2 family members to gun violence--the last one was buried 2 weeks ago. Not only does this thing affect the family who lost their loved one, but also the family of the person who committed the crime. Please do not perform the death penalty on behalf of my family....We know that God is the giver and taker of life.

Hate to bust your bubble but not everyone believes in God. Enough said about that.

A MAJOR impact on the world, hmmm. if you say so. No matter how many books he writes, lectures he gives or prizes he is nominated for, does not mitgate the fact he killed four people.

How many did he save by the above? Who knows. How many more did he destroy by his gang, Who knows but I am sure it is far more than he saved.

Living on the wrong side of town is still no excuse to commit murder. I am so tired of people making excuses for behavior. Lets all take responsiblity for our actions.

His sentence is death, and by the law in California, let justice be served.

Who is Stan Tookie Williams?

Stan was the co-founder in 1971 of the Los Angeles Crips gang. In 1981 he was convicted of murdering four people during two robberies and sentenced to death row at San Quentin State Prison. Stan deeply regrets his gang involvement but has always maintained his innocence of these crimes.

His trial was based on circumstantial evidence and the testimony of several witnesses, all of whom were facing a range of felony charges, including fraud, rape, murder and mutilation. Even the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals stated in a September 10, 2002, ruling that the witnesses in Stan’s case had “less-than-clean backgrounds and incentives to lie in order to obtain leniency from the state in either charging or sentencing.”

YES, IN NEARLY ALL MURDER CASES, PEOPLE WHO MURDER OTHER PEOPLE, GENERALLY ASSOCIATE WITH OTHER CRIMINALS. STANELY WILLIAMS DIDN'T HANG OUT WITH COLLEGE STUDENTS, HE WAS A DRUG ADDICTED, VIOLENT GANG MEMBER. DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE THAT THE PEOPLE HE ASSOCIATED WITH ALSO HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS?

There was physical evidence, but none of it pointed to Stan.

WELL, NOT EXACTLY. REMEMBER THE GUN USED IN THE MURDERS WAS PURCHASED BY STANLEY "TOOKIE" WILLIAMS. THAT PRETTY STRONG EVIDENCE.

• Fingerprints were found at both crime scenes, but they were not Stan’s. These fingerprints have never been identified.

BOTH OF THESE MURDERS WERE COMMITTED IN PUBLIC AREAS. A STORE AND A MOTEL, BOTH OF WHICH HAS DAILY CUSTOMERS USING THE BUSINESSES. MAYBE THE "REAL KILLER" WENT TO STANLEY HOME, STOLE HIS GUN, COMMITTED THE MURDERS, THEN DECIDED TO PUT THE GUN BACK INTO STANLEY'S HOME.

• A bloody boot print left near the victim at one of the crime scenes was not Stan’s. This boot print has never been identified.

ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH CRIME SCENES, KNOWS THAT IS COMMON TO HAVE SOMETIMES DOZENS OF PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE CRIME SCENE BEFORE EVIDENCE IS PHOTOGRAPHED OR COLLECTED. (FIREFIGHTERS, EMS, POLICE OFFICERS, DETECTIVES). IT'S NOT LIKE CSI!

• A shotgun shell found at that crime scene was said to be from a gun purchased by Stan five years earlier. But the gun was, in fact, found under the bed of two people – a husband and wife facing felony insurance fraud charges and who were also under investigation for murdering their own crime partner. This husband-and-wife crime team did not serve any prison time and their murder investigation was dropped after they testified that Stan “volunteered” a confession to them.

WHY WASN'T THIS HUSBAND AND WIFE NOT CHARGED WITH ANOTHER MURDER??? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY'S CLAIM. AND NOT ONLY DID STANLEY GIVE THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE MURDERS....HE TOLD THEM INFORMATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC--INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE WOULD GET FROM ONLY BEING THERE AT THE CRIME SCENE.

• The “star” witness at Stan’s trial – a white man and longtime felon who was placed in a nearby cell while Stan awaited trial and was years later discovered to have been a paid police informant – also testified that Stan “volunteered” a confession to him. But nearly 20 years after Stan’s trial it was discovered that a Los Angeles police officer had left a copy of the police murder file involving Stan’s case in this informant’s cell for overnight study. The next day the murder file was picked up by that same officer, and the informant informed the police that Stan had volunteered a confession to him. In return for this testimony, the informant – who himself was facing the death penalty for rape, murder and mutilation – was given a lesser sentence that allowed him the possibility of parole and freedom.

THEY HAVE CHOOSEN TO DESCRIBE ONE OF THE WITNESSES AS A "STAR WITNESS." EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE SEVERAL WITNESSES THAT STANLEY ADMITTED COMMITTING THE CRIME TO. WHY DO THEY SAY "WHITE MAN" IN THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THIS WITNESS? WHAT DOES HIS RACE HAVE TO DO WITH HIS TESTIMONY? REMEMBER THEY WERE NUMEROUS WITNESSES WHO TESTIFIED AGAINST WILLIAMS. THEY ALSO FORGOT THAT THERE WERE OTHER INMATE WITNESSES WHO STANLEY WILLIAMS APPROACHED ABOUT MAKING AN ESCAPE ATTEMPT.

DID YOU KNOW THAT IN THE COURT DOCUMENTS STANLEY WILLIAMS WAS PLANNING TO ESCAPE PRISON AND TO HAVE ANOTHER WITNESS MURDERED? DID YOU KNOW HE PLANNED ON MURDERING CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS DURING THE PROCESS? DID YOU KNOW THAT A WOMEN WAS CAUGHT TRYING TO SMUGGLE STANLEY A TOOL TO AID IN AN ESCAPE? WHY HASN'T STANLEY EVER ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES?

WHY DO THEY NOT MENTION THE OTHER EVIDENCE PRESENTED AGAINST STANLEY IN TRAIL SUCH AS THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THESE CRIMES THAT ALSO PROVIDED EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM.

DID YOU KNOW ONE WITNESS TESTIFIED THAT STANLEY WILLIAMS LAUGHED AND MADE FUN OF THE SOUNDS OWEN WILLIAMS MADE AS HE LAY DYING?

Nobel Peace Prize Nominee

While on death row, Stan has written 9 highly-acclaimed children’s books that educate young people to avoid gangs, crime and incarceration. He has also worked to end gang violence through his peace protocol and Internet Project for Street Peace, an international peer mentoring program. Stan has saved the lives of over 150,000 youth, as reported by them, their parents, teachers and law enforcement officials in their emails to Stan (tookie [at] tookie.com).

SAVED THE LIFE OF OVER 150,000? WE AGREE THAT WILLIAMS THOUGHTS AND WRITINGS HAVE PROBALLY BEEN AN INFLUENCE FOR SOME PEOPLE TO CHANGE. (JUST AS HIS CREATION OF THE CRIPS HAS INFLUENCED OTHERS TO MAKE A NEGATIVE CHANGE). BUT IS HE REALLY TAKING CREDIT OF CHANGING PEOPLE'S LIVES? EVERYONE WE HAVE MET WHO HAS MADE A CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE HAS DONE SO BECAUSE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFLUENCES AND FACTORS.

He has recently published his memoir, Blue Rage, Black Redemption, which has been nominated for a James Madison Book Award. His work has resulted in multiple nominations for the Nobel Peace and Literature prizes. This summer Stan’s work was even recognized by the President of the United States when he received a presidential award for his volunteer work to help youth.

ANYONE CAN RECEIVE THE "PRESIDENTIAL AWARD" FROM THE PRESIDENT. IT IS AN EASY PROCESS AND IS RETURNED ON A FORM LETTER THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS ADMITTED IS NOT REVIEWED.

Stan’s story was also recently made into a television movie, “Redemption: The Stan Tookie Williams Story,” starring Academy Award winner Jamie Foxx. The movie was honored by the Sundance and Cannes Film Festivals, and was nominated for a Golden Globe and other prestigious awards.

Saving Stan, Saving Our Civil Rights

Stan, like many prisoners, experienced racism in the criminal justice system. His prosecutor kicked off three African-Americans from serving as jurors in Stan’s trial, resulting in Stan being convicted by a virtually all-white jury (no African-Americans; one Latino; one Filipino; ten Caucasians).

"KICKED OFF" THREE AFRICAN-AMERICANS FROM SERVING AS JURORS? WELL, WHY WERE THEY "KICKED OFF"? ONE REPORTED THEY COULD NOT SERVE BECAUSE OF A WORK COMMITMENT AND ANOTHER DID NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY. THE THIRD WAS REMOVED FROM THE JURY BECAUSE OF A SIMILAR SITUATION.

SO WHY DIDN'T WILLIAM'S DEFENSE TEAM BRING THIS UP DURING TRIAL OVER 20 YEARS AGO? OR EVEN 10 YEARS AGO? OR EVEN 5 YEARS AGO?

HIS DEFENSE TEAM HAS TRIED EVERYTHING THEY COULD AND NOW IT APPEARS THEY ARE PLAYING THE 'RACE CARD.'

This prosecutor made numerous racist remarks during the trial, comparing Stan to a “Bengal Tiger” in the San Diego Zoo whose natural jungle “habitat” was the equivalent of South Central Los Angeles.

STANLEY WILLIAMS WAS COMPARED TO A BEGAL TIGER AND THAT HIS HABITAT WAS CENTRAL LOS ANGELES. AFTER WE READ WHAT HE DID WE AGREE!

MAYBE IT'S JUST US, BUT WE DON'T HOW THIS IS A RACIAL REMARK?

STANLEY WILLIAMS HIMSELF SAID ABOUT HIS EARLY YEARS THAT HE COULD HAVE BEEN AN AGGRESSOR OR A VICTIM. HE CHOOSE TO BE THE AGGRESSOR.

HE KILLED A SINGLE-FATHER, A MOTHER AND FATHER AND A DAUGHTER FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT HIS DRUG HABIT. CALLING A PERSON WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS A TIGER IS ACTUALLY PRETTY MILD!

The California State Supreme Court had twice censured this same prosecutor for equally discriminatory behavior. Indeed, a member of the California Supreme Court at that time made the following statement about that prosecutor:

...I believe that we must place the ultimate blame on its real source – the prosecutor. It was he who unconstitutionally struck Black prospective jurors. The record compels this conclusion and permits none other… This prosecutor knew that such conduct was altogether improper. The trial court told him as much. And so did we… This court attempted to teach this same prosecutor that invidious discrimination was unacceptable when we reversed a judgment of death because of similar improper conduct on his part. He failed - or refused - to learn his lesson. The result is another reversal - and another costly burden on the administration of justice.

WHY DO THEY TAKE CERTAIN COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT AND NOT LIST THE ENTIRE STATEMENT MADE BY THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT. AND WHY IS IT, THAT STANLEY WILLIAMS IS STILL ON DEATH ROW? COULD IT BE BECAUSE AFTER THEY REVIEWED THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM THEY ALSO BELIEVE HIM TO BE GUILTY?

On October 11, 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Stan’s appeal to investigate the racism and discrimination at the heart of his case, as well as Stan’s innocence issues. This denial established as “case law” for the entire nation the right of prosecutors to exclude jurors on the basis of race and to denigrate minority defendants in front of white juries.

The ruling is a frontal attack on the civil rights of all Americans.

AGAIN, THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO PLAY THE 'RACE CARD' WHEN RACE WAS NOT AN ISSUE DURING OR AFTER TRIAL.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL PROSECUTOR CURRENTLY HANDLING THIS CASE HAS IN HER POSSESSION A DEATH CERTIFICATE FROM ONE OF THE ORIGINAL JURORS SHOWING HIS RACE AS BEING AFRICAN-AMERICAN?

Will the State Execute a Nobel Peace Prize Nominee?

HARD TO SAY. CURRENTLY GOVERNOR SCHWARENEGGER HAS A VERY POOR RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ESPECIALLY THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION, ONE OF THE LARGEST LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATIONS IN THE NATION.

RECENTLY THE GOVERNOR HAS HIRED A RETIRED STANISLAUS COUNTY SHERIFF TO FORM A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

THE GOVERNOR'S DESIRING TO HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS COULD EFFECT HIS DECISION.

An execution date has been set for Stan Tookie Williams: December 13, 2005. In November 2005 his attorneys plan to file another Federal Habeas Petition that presents new evidence of innocence. At the same time a clemency team of lawyers has been formed to prepare a clemency petition for California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s consideration. That clemency petition will be submitted to the Governor of California on November 7, 2005.

Why Stanley Tookie Williams Should Receive Clemency

In the United States clemency is a request for a Governor (only a Governor can grant clemency) to not impose the death penalty, but instead to impose an alternative sentence: Life without the possibility of parole. So clemency does not mean freedom for the prisoner. It means that the person will spend the rest of his life in prison unless he can later prove innocence through further appeals.

Stanley Tookie Williams deserves clemency. From a 9-by-4 foot cell he has undertaken extraordinary work to serve humanity in his effort to reverse the destructive legacy of the Crips youth gang. If Governor Schwarzenegger grants clemency to Stanley Tookie Williams he will have made an historic move to diminish youth violence in this country and abroad because of the powerful work that Stan would be able to continue to do, using his credible voice to reduce the presence of street gangs throughout this nation and around the world. Even the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals wrote an unprecedented conclusion to its September 10, 2002, ruling about Stan. The Court concluded that Stan was doing “laudable” work that made him “worthy” of consideration for clemency. To that end, Stan has:

• Saved the lives of over 150,000 youth who were either preparing to join a gang or got out of a gang, based on the testimonies of tens of thousands of emails received by Stan at tookie [at] tookie.com from kids, parents, teachers, librarians and even law enforcement officials who say Stan’s

ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S A PRETTY BOLD STATEMENT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE TRANSFORMATION PROCESS OF ANOTHER PERSON.

• Written nine highly acclaimed anti-violence, anti-gang and anti-drug books for elementary school students (Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence, a series of eight books) and middle school children (Life in Prison, a book that deromanticizes incarceration) that are in schools, libraries and juvenile correctional facilities throughout the nation and around the world. Life in Prison was honored by the American Library Association.

HIGHLY ACCLAIMED? BY WHO?

• Written his autobiography, Blue Rage, Black Redemption, for high school students and imprisoned adults to inspire them and to demonstrate to them how they can rehabilitate themselves no matter the difficulty surrounding their life circumstance. Blue Rage, Black Redemption was recently nominated for a James Madison Book Award.

WAIT? CAN'T ANYONE BE NOMINATED FOR THE JAMES MADISON BOOK AWARD?

• Written the “Tookie Protocol for Peace: A Local Street Peace Initiative,” which provides step-by-step instructions for how a community can create peace – block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city. Nearly 200 Crips and Bloods in Newark, New Jersey, for example, signed a truce document based on Stan’s peace protocol one month after downloading that sample peace treaty from his website (http://www.tookie.com). Until then, those Crips and Bloods had been responsible for 32 gang-related deaths during the first four months of 2004. By May 2004, after signing the truce document, the murder rate in Newark, New Jersey, dropped significantly. The Deputy Mayor of Newark credits Stan’s work as playing a significant role in the lessening of violence in his city. Reformed gang members in other states, such as Indiana, have also reported their successful use of Stan’s peace protocol to secure treaties that stopped gang violence in their communities.

• Written letters to incarcerated youth that have been used as counseling and learning tools by juvenile correctional officers. The letters are available for free on his website

• Provided live mentoring via telephone to the principals of the 23 most at-risk elementary schools in the Chicago Public Schools during an in-service training session about Stan’s work. The session was so successful that the Chicago Public Schools decided to create a curriculum around Stan’s Blue Rage, Black Redemption book and his other work. That curriculum was launched in September 2005 within those 23 schools. It is proving to be so successful with students that there is a waiting list to become a participant.

• Provided live mentoring to at-risk youth via the telephone by calling schools, a Bay Area juvenile correctional facility and community-based after-school programs serving troubled youth

• Provided live mentoring to very high-risk youth who visit him at San Quentin State Prison

• Recorded anti-gang Public Service Announcements (PSAs) that have been played on radio stations throughout the United States and Canada. A British station is preparing to air his PSAs

• Assisted in the creation of an award-winning movie made about his life, “Redemption: The Stan Tookie Williams Story,” starring Jamie Foxx. The movie is being sold in DVD format globally – in, for example, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Iraq to U.S. soldiers fighting there. The movie of Stan’s life is proving to be so inspirational that it, too, is saving lives. (See emails at http://www.tookie.com.)

HERE IS ONE EMAIL WE GOT FROM A SGT. IN THE US AIR FORCE.

Hi! My name is (name removed) and I just watched to movie "Redepmtion". And I was curious to find out more about Stanley "Tookie" Williams and I have to say that I I agree with you completely. I have a daughter that is 5 and a son that is 2 and I don't think that I would like to find out that my kids are looking up to someone that does not know how to say that he is sorry for crime that he committed. I am really glad that I found your website so I can read what they did not have in the movie.

• Been nominated five times for the Nobel Peace Prize – once by a member of the Swiss Parliament and four times by a growing list of eminent professors from the United States and Europe. He has also been nominated four times for the Nobel Prize for Literature by William Keach, Professor of English Literature from Brown University.

• Received from President George W. Bush a 2005 Presidential Call to Service Award for his volunteer efforts to help youth

RECEIVED FROM PRESIDENT BUSH A "FORM" LETTER THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SAID WAS NOT REVIEWED AND THAT ANYONE CAN RECEIVE THE SAME LETTER.

IF Amerka truly belives in 'justice for all' then a rational review of the case of Stanly 'Tookie' Williams reveals that has has not received justice in our courts and is being prosecuted and persecuted by the fascist powers-that-be.

He has repented of his past gang life, has helped youth with his books and has redeemed himself. Let not the fascist hysteria of these troubled times blind us to the power of redemption.
His possible unjust execution will spurn many more troubles inside the walls of Amerika's many prisons, galvanize turmoil in Amerika's ghettos and result in great division in these Divided States.
Has he received a fair trial? If not, then his execution should not stand and Governator Arnold should breakthrough and give him clemency straightaway.
Free Tookie!BR>Free Leonard Peltier!
Free All Innocent Prisoners!

i don't no if you are reading this tookie but i'm a young girl 16 teen and this is new to me.
i have to say you have a heart just like every one. i no that people look at you as a monster but in my heart and soul your no monster you are a men in my eyes and heart and i no god loves you even no he don't like ulgy but you are not ulgy you are a men that did something bad just like any others would do, but don't never forget you are god child and if he loves you ,he for gives you just like i did i'm just a young girl that belives in you so look up don't let no body hit you. w/b love keke
tell him god is right there just touch his heart and let people no that you are no monster and you shouldn't die because you already been for given and you no your not a monster but a men of god and if they take your life thats not giog to take any thing away by kiling you tookie one day i may see you soon. love

that girl that have the father that died l'm so sorry to here that but tookie is only a men and did wrong and he sees it now but if you for give him and don't wish death on him just for give god would answer you.
if you killed someone you would want to be for giveing to you wouldn't want no body wishing death on you tookie is sorry just remember he's a men just like your father was please don't look at him like that and if he could he would look at you and tell you that what he did should happen and god don't like ugly and that is what he did but i no tookie is sorry from the heart his real heart. keke 16 teen

It is called bad typing skills. I apologize for not taking that typing class in high school. Maybe if you had a clue or half a brain, you would have realized that. I am direct and to the point.

Spewing hate? Full of hate? Those words made me chuckle. Here is a man who brutally killed four people, started a gang that has kill hundreds and wounded probably 10x that amount and destroyed communites. He was sentence and that sentenct will be carried out. And to this I say, it is about time. He has been given 29yrs, 29 more than what any of those people he killed. Sorry, but I don't fall the "poor is me and it wasn't my fault garbage". It makes me wonder... I beleive you are one of those people who love to see pedophiles out after a few years after they have been "rehabilitated".

This website is for Stan "Tookie" Williams. Reading about the procescuter on the case, and the case itself, I am amazed that this alone has not been the stand to grant him clemancy. That aside, the man has done more than most for mankind, while in prison. And, I believe a person can change....this is a changed man, and an asset to the world. His words promote love and friendship. Unlike Ray who says things to deliberately provoke, e.g. "if you had a clue or half a brain". And that my words made him "chuckle". My hope is that this is a child, and therefore still has room to grow. It is people with mindsets like Ray, not Tookie, that are a danger to this world, and a definite liablity to mankind. It would be a much better world if Ray and Tookie could trade places. Good luck to you Ray....I hope you grow up, and I hope you find something in your soul that is worth Redemption. You are mean spirited, lost, and dangerous.

tookie it me again i been looking at people comment some are bad and some are good but i just want to say who ever wish you dead they are wrong in a comment i was reading this person said,
die already
that is hate and i think people that say things like that is wrong and wishing death on you comes back on that person becaues god don't like ugly and that person who said that is asking ugly
you have did all them years for what you did and i think that you should live so save tookie not hate.

>It is called bad typing skills. I apologize for not taking that typing class in high school. Maybe if you had a clue or half a brain, you would have realized that. I am direct and to the point.<

Well, no. I'm with Carol on this -- I avoid people like you at all costs. You need to look in the mirror before you cast judgement on other people. I'm out.

No death penalty, no more racist wars,

no heroes save ourselves

This is a man that created a group of friends not to murder others or cause chaos, but to survive in south central LA. Yes, it got out of hand and of course he made mistakes. But for one to say he doesnt deserve a second chance is completely ignorant. This man has done so much to reverse gang culture and all anyone can think of is this black gangbanger should fry. Ignorance! of course what he did was wrong, but for someone to work so hard to have others NOT follow in his footsteps is a remarkable action. People change, but not everyone changes completely for the good. This is a very religious man. He is a strong man physically and spiritually, and God has forgiven him. I wish people would get off there pedestuls and realize that this man brings troubled childre to prisons to speak with them, he sends out letters and video speeches to ward off the idea of gangs. He put his life on the line by denouncing gang life in prison because that insulted other gang bangers inside the prison and he was almost murdered many times in prison but STILL never gave up on spreading his message to young children that. The man is willing to sacrifice his life to help the youth stay away from the type of life he led, he was willing to SACRIFICE his life, and its pathetic that people are so ignorant to say he;s a murderer kill him. He is a great leader, granted he made his mistakes but who hasnt. Dont let yourself think you havent. And do NOT think you have the right to judge others. Especially when you cant understand sacrifice, peace, and a changed soul.

It's called fascism, baby, and we are in it up to our eyeballs

Defining characteristic #12)
Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Check out the other 13 characteristics here:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
This shit will make your blood run cold

Americans need to pull their heads out of their fat hypnotized asses

Or just stay in their cozy little baby trance and watch with wide wondering eyes as it all come crashing down on them. That would probably be for the greater good anyway. Good riddance, monsters. On your way down the shit-tube, just remember one thing: you could have had it all if you didn't suck.

> Americans need to pull their heads out of their fat hypnotized asses

Well, yeah -- but how to get there, that's the question. Leftie-leaning people tend to say that the conditions to wake people up can't be manufactured (a definite holdover from marxist theory,) but that's simply not good enough, but on the other hand, starting yet another affinity group, well...let's just way it's been done.

So...what do YOU think should happen to wake people up? I don't mean this as some kind of trick question, as in listening to what you say, and then going: well yes, yes, but the answer is...BOB AVAKIAN! LEON TROTSKY! YOUR....MAMA! I mean, seriously. Something needs to be done, and we need to be talking with each other honestly, open-mindedly, about what that something looks like in practice.

On the other hand, as you said, maybe things will fall into the toilet, and then the rest of the world will go on. But it's gonna be one ugly ride down -- not just for us, but for everybody if that's the case.

The fundamental cause of all this complacence is that Americans enjoy surreal median wealth (no matter what they think) and by and large have no authentic experience of deprivation or injustice. Consequently real honest to god pissed off revolutionaries are rare as hen's teeth, and that's the breed this country desperately needs

I know what would jolt them awake: watching their children starve. I'm not being flip, and I really believe that's what it will take, which means it WILL happen. The last time it happened was in the 1930s, when the billionaire's threw us a giant juicy bone called the New Deal precisely to contain this response. What creeps me out now is the billionaires seem to think they've made themselves invulnerable, so therefore they can just cut us loose and let us rot in hell. I'm not saying they're RIGHT about this, mind you, but the belief alone is a dangerous thing. I'm sure this isn't the first time they've succumbed to it.

By the way, how do you figure America going down the shitter would be a hardship for the 80% of global humanity we're already colonizing to death anyway? Many of these countries, e.g. Congo, have immense natural wealth. If the US Empire took a dump, the main vacuum hose sucking that wealth away from them ("foreign investment") would be eliminated and they could enjoy it themselves for the first time ever. The same is true of many "third world" countries. Their desperate poverty is not a "natural" condition; it's a direct inevitable consequence of draconian neocolonialism. I think you may be indulging in wishful thinking that our interests are their interests

Are people really mad because the prison system actually did what it was supposed to do which is rehabilitate someone?
I have not reviewed Tookie's case. I don't know what his past was like. Shoot..just from what I do know, his experiences with gang life sound like some people I know personally. And you know what...most of them people have changed. Some have admitted their crimes. (including taking a life) Time was served for some crimes and some crimes didn't result in time. But the point is.....THEY CHANGED. They have honest, hard-working jobs, they take care of their families, and some have received God into their hearts. I could better understand the desire for the death penalty if Tookie was in prison and maintained no regard for life. Shoot...he was sentenced to death. He could have killed others in prison and his plight would still be the same. But he took time on Earth to do positive things.
I haven't personally experienced projects and ghettos. I hope I don't offend anyone, but, I usually think of these areas as war zones. And to better understand the circumstances, I use my grandfather as an example. When my music-loving, patient grandfather returned from Vietnam, his mind was almost gone. All he knew was that someone was trying to kill him. His instinct was to do what was needed to survive. He had to be "deprogrammed" slowly but he never really got over the war. There are people in these areas (ghettos, projects, etc.) who, on a daily basis, are subjected to people with war-like tendencies (stealing, killing, looting, "local terrorists", etc.) In order to survive, they have to adopt some of those same tendencies. I'm not saying it is right. And people do have to take responsibility for their own actions. But, if in your world, it is "kill or be killed" all day-- everyday, how are you going to automatically change these actions/ideas if it has been okay in your world as long as you can remember? The instinct is to survive until someone "deprograms" those ideas/actions.
Yes....I know that Tookie started the crips and this has had devestating consequences in our communities, but did the gun companies know that their guns would be used for drive-bys? Did the drug companies know that their cold medicines would be used to make illegal, street drugs? Did the automobile companies know that their cars would be used for hit and runs? The idea may seem good at the time but then it gets into the hands of those that use if for bad....I'm sure Tookie started the crips as a group of friends who needed each other. Then it got into the hands of those who manipulated it. We can not hold him entirely responsible for the crips.

I don't assume that an all white jury is racist, but I am uncomfortable with it. Picture yourself, a white guy, having your LIFE decided by 12 people ( all black) who have no REAL understanding of another race- not too fair?

Tookie was a bad person. Did bad things. But the man has a message- so what if it took a life of crime to come out with a message, ever read the autobiography of Malcolm X?

Anyone notice how we KILL anyone thats trying to give us a message? MLK, JFK, RFK, X, Medgar Evers, and even....Jesus.

> Anyone notice how we KILL anyone thats trying to give us a message? MLK, JFK, RFK, X, Medgar Evers, and even....Jesus.<

Yup. Fred Hampton, John Africa, JP I, on and on. It's the way the system's set up. Become too much of a role model? Try to change too much of the system? There's a bullet with your name on it. (For the more anarchistically minded here, think of haymarket, mahkno, etc. Same doo-doo, different pile.)

Now, there are some on this list who may not be thrilled at my mentioning of John Africa, and possibly even your mentioning of Malcolm. I've been trying to get some of *ahem* less tolerant posters to at least read Malcolm's autobiography, but you can't please everyone. Suffice it to say, not everything is for everybody, and the best way to check someone's credibility is to look at the whole picture of *all* their work. But you already knew that, I'm sure.

In any case, let's hope and pray for tookie, and do everything we can to keep him from being executed. He's worth so much more to the world alive than he is dead.

no heroes, who continues to learn how and when to pick battles

All this concern for Tookie, anyone care about the people he killed? How about their families? Any of you spend one minute thinking about them? For the record the people whose lives he took are:

Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, Yu-Chin Yang Lin and Albert Owens.

What about their rights?

Those opposed to executing Williams don't wrest their case on a defense of his "rights."

What is perceived to be right is the basis of the argument made in his behalf.

Williams' victims' rights would be honored by his death, how?

No one is denying that the families have been devastated by the lost of their loved ones. My heart goes out to them.
It's just that..... to put anyone to death with such a flawed "justice" system makes no sense to me. There are people who have more incriminating evidence on them and get only 5, 10, 15 years in prison. There are cases when there are eye witnesses who point the person out in the courtroom and years later, the defendant is freed because of DNA evidence or someone admited they lied or it was proven that evidence was planted, etc.
Too many things went wrong in this trial. The prosecutors seemed to be so sneeky. Maybe if they were more focused on the truth instead of the conviction, there wouldn't be any doubt as to Stan's innocence or guilt. But, since the trial occurred as it did ....I have A LOT of reasonable doubt.....

I once used to straddled the fence on the death penalty issue. Even when I went to the clinic and had an abortion, I stil thought that some criminals deserverd death. But I now realized that it was my FEAR that made me wish such bad things. Fear that if one of these criminals were not put to death, they would come and harm me or my family. Yes, the possibility is their for someone to bring harm to you or your family, but when it is your timed to go, it is your time to go.

As someone stated earlier, NO SIN IS WEIGHED heavier than the other. So as you selfish, clueless people make judgement, remembered that you haved to be judged one day and you do not know when that day is coming.

And there are some people who do not believe in god, but I guarentee that there will be a day when they go through an unbarrable trial and they WILL, without a doubt, fall on their knees and ask for a higher power to take the pain away.

Whatever happens to Tookie is in Gods hands. For the people who are wishing death on him, remember you are going to need a GOD to forgive you just like Tookie needs him. Whether he is telling the truth or not is something he has to deal with God. That is not for us to stress or ponder about. So while you are wasting your precious energy hating, you need to be focusing on getting YOURSELF together because you never know when your day is going to come.

And one more thing for you atheist, if you don't believe in GOD, there is one simple rule, the golden rule: "Treat others as you would like to be treated"-NOT "treat others like they treat you." If we all followed this simple rule, the would would be eutopic.

I once used to straddled the fence on the death penalty issue. Even when I went to the clinic and had an abortion, I stil thought that some criminals deserverd death. But I now realized that it was my FEAR that made me wish such bad things. Fear that if one of these criminals were not put to death, they would come and harm me or my family. Yes, the possibility is their for someone to bring harm to you or your family, but when it is your timed to go, it is your time to go.

As someone stated earlier, NO SIN IS WEIGHED heavier than the other. So as you selfish, clueless people make judgement, remembered that you haved to be judged one day and you do not know when that day is coming.

And there are some people who do not believe in god, but I guarentee that there will be a day when they go through an unbarrable trial and they WILL, without a doubt, fall on their knees and ask for a higher power to take the pain away.

Whatever happens to Tookie is in Gods hands. For the people who are wishing death on him, remember you are going to need a GOD to forgive you just like Tookie needs him. Whether he is telling the truth or not is something he has to deal with God. That is not for us to stress or ponder about. So while you are wasting your precious energy hating, you need to be focusing on getting YOURSELF together because you never know when your day is going to come.

And one more thing for you atheist, if you don't believe in GOD, there is one simple rule, the golden rule: "Treat others as you would like to be treated"-NOT "treat others like they treat you." If we all followed this simple rule, the would would be eutopic.

"And one more thing for you atheist, if you don't believe in GOD..."

How deliciously ironic, coming from one who made this astute observation

"But I now realized that it was my FEAR that made me wish such bad things"

Yes, Crisco, EXACTLY. Everything these morbid cowards believe reflects their absolute enslavement to fear.

For example: you better do what Big Daddy Up Yonder (an idealization of your actual father in a shitty mood) tells you to do, cuz if you don't he'll take revenge on you on *JUDGEMENT DAY* ! Instead of letting you into the Kingdom of Heaven, where all the good little boy & girl prisses will get to run and play and rat each other out all the time, you'll BURN IN FUCKING HELLLLL MWAAHAHAHAH- ahem, meaning you'll experience the ultimate agony of fire destroying every square inch of your skin, and yet your skin will remain intact and exquisitely sensitive, being destroyed anew every second for the REST. OF. ETERNITY. How's that for a sadist's ultimate fantasy of retribution? Scary, isn't it? Why yes indeedy it is. Nurture your fear, goo-goo baby. Let it rule your life. Don't even be afraid of anything real, but instead live in hollow-eyed terror of this figment of your pathetic brainwashed imagination. The punishment for disobedience might seem extreme, considering you were thrust into the clutches of this petulant tyrant by no choice of your own -- and, hell, you're just an impulsive dumb-ass monkey anyway -- but just keep one thing in mind:

God (your father on a bad day) LOVES YOU and knows what's best in his unfathomably deep loving glorious wonderful way. If he sends you off to sizzle and scream in hell's deepest pit for the rest of time, it will be FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!

How mindless/insane must a person be to believe this shit? It's a theology of utterly defeated slaves. And yet whether one accepts the dogmas or not it's the bedrock of this civilization's "morality." What does this say about us?

The brilliant 11th-century Sufi scholar Omar Khayyam had it about right: people on puppet-strings of systems of belief

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/diogenes.htm

For Satan's sake, Crisco, I hope you're not black! Africans had their own much more sane religious traditions back before their cultures were destroyed. It always pains me to see blacks struggling to assert a vigorous culture of their own and yet dragging along with them the absolute worst thing Western civilization has to offer. This can't work. You're carrying your own defeat with you

Are people forgetting the goals of The U.S. Justice System or are people allowing emotion and rage take over their minds? Killing a man because you believe he murdered four people is not just, I think people need to really research the case and the U.S Justice System before making comments. This man's gun was used to kill those people but no evedence actuallt proved it was him who pulled the trigger. Haven't you ever done wrong in your life, but done something to show that you have changed, this man has made a complete change, better then the average person. He has served a very long sentnce for crimes he may and may not have done, I think it is time he be left alone. He may have started the Crips but people are forgetting it was never intended for it to be the gang we see today. The Crips was suppose to be a movement to protect their community, similar to that of the Black Panther movement. Hey lets face it African American communities all over the U.S. have little to no protection by police or from police, so people look for other ways to protect their family. Think of how many white men have guns in the rural south, think about how many accidental deaths have occurred because people were afriad and trying to prptect their families,do they get sent to jail? No not always, and how was Williams to know that the next generation would take gang violence to the next level, you can not put all the blaim on this man. I don't know if Williams is guilty or innocence, but I do he has saved many lives and done a greater good for the country whether you chose to except the fact or not. And I do that killing someone because they took the life of other people is not any better, murder is murder no matter how you look at it. If you can live with knowing you helped murder a man then you need to look deep within yourself and find out whats wrong with you because I know my heart could never handle that.

What they're saying is "don't KILL Tookie." The distinction gets into lots of stuff good flag-draped goose-steppers don't ever want to consider

1) The really pivotal issue here is capital punishment. Should any government have the authority to murder people as a formal punishment? Isn't this a hold-over from the days of burning heretics alive?* On this note, it's important to remember that Americans are the ideological descendants of Puritan maniacs who enjoyed watching people scream and cook more than anybody and wanted to keep doing it even after everyone else in Europe knew they were nuts. That's why you fuckers came over here in the first place, marember? So you could get in more "witch" burnings.

*Why yes, that IS the truth, and fuck what you think.

As for the prerogatives of this fascist government*, capital punishment's real value lies in intimidating the general public and by doing so solidifying the state's power monopoly. This is why it's applied particularly to cop-killers. The message is clear: "you kill a cop (a front-line soldier of our power monopoly), we gonna kill YOU. self-defense shmelf-defense."

Your mush-brained reverence of state authority and protocol notwithstanding, capital punishment bears an uncanny resemblance to state terrorism directed against a nation's own citizenry. Not only is this barbaric, but among the citizens in question only an utter brainwashed fool would support it

The capital punishment controversy has one saving grace at least: more than any other issue out there, it enables someone like myself to distinguish readily between blood-thirsty Calvinist goose-steppers and Americans who are actually decent.

2) Just because Tookie was "found guilty" by this corrupt bullshit legal system doesn't mean he actually is, especially in a case this politicized. Pigs cook the evidence (yeah, I mean YOU, JQP); Political bosses call in favors from judges they've pimped; The DA's office or some other goose-stepper faction infiltrates operatives into the jury; The defense team, having sensed a cold .44-caliber muzzle kissing their careers, blithely looks the other way as the jury gets stacked; Or maybe that's not even necessary -- maybe they're goose-stepping fuckwads too. After all, 99 percent of lawyers are spoiled white assholes who just want to make lots of money. Same diff. German middle class circa 1930s, here I come, hut, hut. If the whole system is made up of corrupt human filth (and it is) you don't even need a "conspiracy" per se. It's widely understood that "you get what you pay for" when it comes to legal defense, and this is exactly why.

Welcome to the twilight days of the American Empire. Good riddance, assholes. Y'all fry in hell, now, y'hear?

Members of the ruling class commit murders too, ya know. They don't invariably get away with it (especially if the publicity gets going) but when was the last time you saw one of them hang? What's that, did you say NEVER? Buh-Buh-Bingo, baby, give the man a gold star!! Even taking into account that blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, they recieve capital sentences out of all proportion. This is the state terrorism aspect again. Gotta make dem jungle bunnies know they place!

3) The most dangerous criminal gang in the world by far is called "America." One way or another, ALL Americans are complicit in what it's done*. Does that mean we should all die? Maybe so. This verdict gets more popular all over the world every day. Hey, six billion people can't be wrong! The point, for you lead-skulled dullards, is this: don't forget to check the mirror while you're going around trading in arrogant life-and-death absolutism. You might notice that quite a lot of it has bounced back and stuck to YOU

You know everyone can give there personal feelings toward this situation, but it all boils down to the fact that he was convicted of killing 4 innocent random people in cold blood. And he has the blood of thousands maybe evan more than that of others, some gang-related, some innocent by-standers. Now maybe if it was another state and he was convicted of this he would maybe have life. But since this happens to be in the state of California he was sentenced to death. THE LAW. Now he happened to get a extra 29 years to do some good. And thats great. He still should be an example to young ones in gangs or who are thinking of being in gangs. But he knows what he did was wrong and he should be letting the young ones know that and that don't be like him. That should be his message. He should take his punishment like the rehabilitated man that he says he is!! With Respect. Not with throwing hisself and others on his behalf at the feet of the govenor for clemency. Is he really rehabilitated? Because you would think that out of respect of the victims he would be ready to take his punishment willingly?

I guess they'll have to get the oppressor out themselves....

While I commend what Tookie has done to repair much of the damage he caused, I am still dismayed that he's been trying to play both sides in order to spare his own life.

His entire case to the appealate system is that he was innocent, he's making the claim that he was wrongfully convicted. It's not based on him having paid for his crimes and that he's reformed. Despite his general apology, there has never been a special apology to those individuals who's life was destroyed by 4 murders that he commited. I've seen the claims of his innocence and what I see is a man unwilling to admit his culpability in a crime and apologize, because it may harm his chance at an appeal.

Yet, he also seeks clemency, which means he's accepting his guilt and asking for us to grant him mercy because he has reformed. In this case, I would be tempted to offer clemency, if he was willing to stop lying to try to save himself. Claiming an all white jury convicted him is false, there was one black man, a fillipino and a latino as well and they also voted for a conviction and for the death penalty. No appealate court felt there was compelling evidence that the district attorney's office had acted improperly in the handling of evidence or the procurement of witnesses. And despite this montain of evidence, he has never publicly confessed, but he wants mercy for those crimes.

If Tookie can't say I'm sorry, I did it, then I can't say you're forgiven.

Yes he may have killed 4 people and lead to the killings of others but if u kno the tru history behind what he did and why he did it then there wouldnt be a "too late for tookie". He started the crips to help keep his family safe. He grew up in a hard area, and he had to protect his family and friends, the gang was not ment to be what it has turned out to be now. The teens and who eva is gettin it these gangs, me having to be one of them, and knowing what he grew up in considering that he grew up wit my uncle. SO JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT HE DIDNT INTEND FOR THE GANG TO TURN OUT THIS WAY HE ACTUALLY HELPED SOME CRIPS AND BLOODS REUNITE AND THEM NOT KNOWING THEY WAS FAMILY. HES A GOOD PERSON AND HE REALIZED WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG AND NOW HES PAYING THE PRICE!!!!

I'm not sure how any HONEST person who has reviewed the facts in this case can come to the conclusion that they are SURE Tookie did it. Keyword here is HONEST. Quick review of the facts.

* The bloody bootprint.

The counter argument that this could have been a "EMT's" boot is just laughable! A) EMT's know enough about crime scenes not to overly disturb them. B) The police in the case could (and should) have simply checked this out. This is as easy as asking the EMTs who came to the scene to let you see their boots.

* The fingerprints. It's not simply that other fingerprints WERE found at the crime scene but also that Tookie's finger prints WERE NOT found.

* The couple with the murder weapon found under their bed.

Those who want to claim Tookie was guilty go with the argument that "Tookie told them information about the murder that wasn't already known". How about this? They knew information about the murder because THEY committed it? That's certainly possible. Yes, Tookie purchased the gun. But people often buy guns and then resell them on the streets. Is that wrong? Certainly. Is that a capital crime? Not under our (current) legal system.

And beyond that there is undisputed racist comments made by the prosecutor and the fact that all blacks were struck from the jury. Really, when I read that I thought "Is this California in 1980 or Missisippi in 1950?"

If you are HONEST you will have to admit that the evidence against Tookie is circumstantial and questionable. There were no eyewitnesses to the event, witnesses who SAID Tookie told them about the crime, but who should have been suspects themselves, and the prosecution was CLEARLY racially tainted. That leaves a catch 22. If, in fact, Tookie DIDN'T commit the crime then the only way he can please SOME of you is to LIE and say that he did.

Frankly I don't think clemency should be based on "forced" confession. Rather it should be based on what the person has to offer society now. Have any of you "Tookie haters" read Tookie's "Protocol for Peace"? Have you? Did you see the RESULTS of this? We're not talking about intangibles like how many parents say "Tookie's book saved my child." We're talking about the FACT that 150 members of the bloods and the crips in Newark New Jersey sat down and worked out a PEACE DEAL based on Tookie's protocol. If you read the protocol you'll see that it is A) common sense and B) totally workable and verifiable. How many lives may have been saved already by this?

Right now our country is embroiled in a discussion over whether or not it's ok to "torture" in order to save a life. Well is it ok to spare a life in order to save lives? We claim we must work with "unsavory charecters" in order to "fight the war on terrorism". Well what about a charecter with an "unsavory past" who has a proven track record on making our streets safer while he's still behind bars?

Read Tookie's protocol and it's results. Decide for yourself. Don't be blinded by hate. Up until YESTERDAY I was undecided about Mr. Williams. I thought "regardless of whether or not he's guilty of this crime. His life caused so much death". But now I see that his life can SAVE lives. Isn't saving lives more important than getting revenge?

http://www.tookie.com/gang_truce.html
http://www.tookie.com/protocol/table.of.contents.html

People think they know everything but they know nothing about Tookie if it was your father would you want him to die sure he did wrong but he learn from his past and he is now a better man I believe that he should be granted clemcy and every body just need to about there life

WERE YOU THERE, DID YOU SEE HIM COMMIT THE CRIME, THERE HAS BEEN TO MANY BLACK MEN KILLED BY THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, ONLY TO BE FOUND INNOCENT AFTER THE FACT, UNLESS I WITNESS SOMETHING WITH MY OWN EYES THESE DAYS I DON'T BELIVE IT MAN MAKES MISTAKES EVERYDAY, I COULD NOT LIVE WITH THE BLOOD OF SOMEONE ELSE ON MY HANDS, WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THE JUDGING TO THE ALMIGTHY GOD

FIRST LET'S GET THE FACTS RIGHT, TOOKIE DID NOT START THE CRIPS, THIS GANG HAD ALREADY BEEN FORMED BEFORE HE GOT INVOLVED, I'M FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KNEW HIM AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CLAIM A GANG DON'T MEAN THAT YOU DO ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT SOME OF THE KNUCKLE-HEADS DO BACK IN THE DAYS YOU WERE CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE GANG JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD !!

WHO ARE YOU A PRISON GUARD, SO YOU KNOW HIS EVERY MOVE ?

YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO SOUTH CENTRAL? H-LL NO, SO JUST SHUT THE F-CK UP AND KEEP YOUR REMARKS TO YOURSELF

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HE DID THE KILLINGS, BECAUSE YOUR WHITE COUNTER PARTS TOLD YOU !! IT SEEMS AS WHEN A BLACK IS PUT ON TRAIL THEY SEEM TO PULL OUT ALL THE RACIST RED-NECKS TO HAVE THEM SIT ON THE JURY

HOW IS THIS HIS GANG, STOP GOING BY WHAT YOU HEAR ON THE NEWS, TOOKIE WAS NOT THE FOUNDER NOR CO-FOUNDER OF THE CRIPS THIS IS JUST ALOT OF HEAR SAY, MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE SCARY A-- COPS WHO WAS AFRAID OF HIM BECAUSE OF HIS BODY SIZE WHO BEAT FALSE INFORMATION OUT OF A JAIL HOUSE INFROMANT

WITH THE WAY THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS TODAY YOU MIGHT JUST FIND YOURSELF IN A SETUP SITUATION AND ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU THEN IS GO CRY ME A RIVER

According to the legal system Murder will get you life in prison without the posability of parole or the death sentance. Ok, I can understand life in prison without the posability of parole, but the death sentance is the same as murder. If it is aginst the law to kill someone and is punishable by the legal sytem taking a mans life, then is the legal system not also commiting murder? Regardless if Tookie Williams is inocent or not it is not our place to judge him for his crimes or accused crimes. Everyone has to answer to God on judgment day for their own wrong doings and no man or woman should be judged by their actions and be sent to death because in the Ten Comandments it states Thou Shall Not Kill. In all reality the one who takes the life of an imate on death row is also commiting murder and will have to answer to god on judgment day. So please tell me what is the difference from Tookie Williams suposedly taking the life of four people and the legal system taking the lives of many people? Further more, Tookie Williams is still claiming to be inocent of his accused crimes and he may very well be inocent, but yet he was convicted by an all white jury and racisim and biases played a big role in his conviction. Tookie Williams was convicte because he is a black man had he been a white man he may have had a fighting chance on beating the charges but agian the legal system will do all that it can to hold the African American population back from trying to get ahead in life regardless if they are inocent or not.
Yes I have thought about the familes of the victims and how they may feel for their loss but to keep anger and hatred for all these years will only keep the family members bitter until they forgive.

Sorry folks - but as a cop (based in Canada), I know that the death penalty a)does not deter murder b)does not heal the victim's family.
Clemency, in this case, could actually do some good. The death penalty applied in this case injures your nations.

dear tookie i love u and im srry u have to leave us. god bless and be with u always.ill look for u in heaven.good bye for now.
ps. thanks for the children books i am a 11 year old girl.

All I have to say that an eye for an eye, however in this case; if you do not have the actual proof then I do not think that one can make the decision to take a mans life. Someone said something very heavy to me last night, they said how do we know that this act from Brother Arnold, was not an iniciation "rite" using Brother Tookie as a sacrifice? And that made me think and pary for the man at the same time. After being incarcerated for all those years , no matter what Stanley served his time , this is a very sad reality of life.