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Revolutionary Cells Animal Liberation Brigade strikes again?
Friday morning, a small homemade bomb damaged Shaklee Corporation, which is operated by Yamanouchi Consumer Inc. a diversified global consumer products company. Yamanouchi has a long history of being a customer of Huntington Life Science, Europe's largest animal testing laboratory. Two bombs went off Aug. 29 outside the Emeryville offices of Chiron Corp. another HLD customer, were claimed by Revolutionary Cells Animal Liberation Brigade.
PLEASANTON - Police are investigating an apparent bomb blast at Shaklee Corporation early this morning.
The FBI, and agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are working with Pleasanton police at the scene on Willow Road, a block from the Dublin/Pleasanton BART station.
Police say they received reports of a blast at about 4:30 a.m. Police said there were several security guards on duty in the building when the explosion went off, but no one was hurt by the blast, which caused minor glass damage near the south entrance to the building.
Evidence technicians in white clean suits were at the crime scene, while other investigators were sent in to secure the Shaklee building. Shaklee offices were closed for the day, but are expected to reopen Monday.
Streets and some businesses surrounding Shaklee were closed off, but PeopleSoft, which has offices next to Shaklee, was urging its workers to come in to work today.
Pleasanton police Lt. Dave Spiller said the department received several 911 calls reporting an explosion in the Hacienda Business Park, and the fire department received an automated call and reported to the scene. Firefighters and police secured the scene but didn't find any suspects or other information.
The FBI was not releasing any information about the device, but earlier Spiller said it appeared some time of plastic explosion was used and that a kitchen timer device had been found nearby.
Shaklee is part of a group of companies operated by Yamanouchi Consumer Inc. (YCI), a diversified global consumer products company, a division of Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., one of the largest and most profitable pharmaceutical companies in Japan with operations worldwide and a customer of Huntington Life Science.
Biotechnology company Chiron Corp was a target of a similar bombing on Aug. 28. No one was injured, and a group called The Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility in an anonymous e-mail.
The FBI thinks that the Revolutionary Cells may be a newly formed front or offshoot of the Animal Liberation Front, which has become notorious for campaigns that involve raids on fur companies, mink farms, restaurants and animal research labs.
The FBI, and agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are working with Pleasanton police at the scene on Willow Road, a block from the Dublin/Pleasanton BART station.
Police say they received reports of a blast at about 4:30 a.m. Police said there were several security guards on duty in the building when the explosion went off, but no one was hurt by the blast, which caused minor glass damage near the south entrance to the building.
Evidence technicians in white clean suits were at the crime scene, while other investigators were sent in to secure the Shaklee building. Shaklee offices were closed for the day, but are expected to reopen Monday.
Streets and some businesses surrounding Shaklee were closed off, but PeopleSoft, which has offices next to Shaklee, was urging its workers to come in to work today.
Pleasanton police Lt. Dave Spiller said the department received several 911 calls reporting an explosion in the Hacienda Business Park, and the fire department received an automated call and reported to the scene. Firefighters and police secured the scene but didn't find any suspects or other information.
The FBI was not releasing any information about the device, but earlier Spiller said it appeared some time of plastic explosion was used and that a kitchen timer device had been found nearby.
Shaklee is part of a group of companies operated by Yamanouchi Consumer Inc. (YCI), a diversified global consumer products company, a division of Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., one of the largest and most profitable pharmaceutical companies in Japan with operations worldwide and a customer of Huntington Life Science.
Biotechnology company Chiron Corp was a target of a similar bombing on Aug. 28. No one was injured, and a group called The Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility in an anonymous e-mail.
The FBI thinks that the Revolutionary Cells may be a newly formed front or offshoot of the Animal Liberation Front, which has become notorious for campaigns that involve raids on fur companies, mink farms, restaurants and animal research labs.
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This sounds more like they're going after the products cosmeticians and hairdressers use - not pharmaceuticals: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/26/bomb26.DTL
this attitude that the lives of animals have no value and it's ok to torture them in order to maybe pehaps save human life is straight outta the bible. you kow, that idea that god gave man all the animals to do with what we please. nesie, who knew you were such a tool of the patriarchy?
Oh, wait, I knew!
in this day and age, the research to save and or help sick people could well be done with models and computers.
Plus, your viscious attacks are a real downer. get over it you crank!
Oh, wait, I knew!
in this day and age, the research to save and or help sick people could well be done with models and computers.
Plus, your viscious attacks are a real downer. get over it you crank!
>>They must be stopped by any means necessary. I
>>recommend a sound pummeling with stout
>>cudgels for starts. Then kick them repeatedly. Aim >>for the face. It’s much kinder treatment than they
>>deserve
it makes me laugh when someone advocates human on human violence to deal with human on property violence.
the funny thing is... you say that they must be stopped by any means necessary, which is exactly what they advocate.. so what is the difference between you and them except that you want to hurt humans and arent shy about telling the world (er.. the web) about how much of a violent dipshit you are.
>>recommend a sound pummeling with stout
>>cudgels for starts. Then kick them repeatedly. Aim >>for the face. It’s much kinder treatment than they
>>deserve
it makes me laugh when someone advocates human on human violence to deal with human on property violence.
the funny thing is... you say that they must be stopped by any means necessary, which is exactly what they advocate.. so what is the difference between you and them except that you want to hurt humans and arent shy about telling the world (er.. the web) about how much of a violent dipshit you are.
There are reliable medical experts who insist that animal testing of medical cures and pharmaceuticals can never be considered reliable because humans are so fundamentally different from the small furry creatures sacrificed in the name of science. Even after extensive animal testing, a lot of medical procedures and drugs must again be tried again on humans to gain accurate results, only to find that what rats can endure, simply does not have the same result for humans.
Look for motives: a lot of animals have dies for AIDS research, after th US was good enough to finally admit there was a problem that is, which took a while because it affected gays, African Americans and junkies at first--now that I think about it, that disease would nbever have been named or received any attention if vocal groups had not stood up over the deaths caused by blood transfusions affecting more privileged sectors. Meanwhile our government is intent on suppressing evidence that cannabis, a simple natural aid embraced by a lot of AIDS sufferers, can alleviate pain, regain appetite, and reduce tumors--because of the propaganda and control that the medical and pharmaceutical corporate forces wield in our society.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries are just big business. Let's take childbirth for example, going merrily for years in nature, something which used to be a happy private family affair only requiring medical guidance in mostr cases, not intervention--then the medical industry steps in to scare everybody, saying well to have a baby you need $20,000 minimum and a team of doctors and lots of drugs and equipment and probably a c section so the doctor can charge even more while pulling the baby out according to his schedule, etc--, yet our statistics regarding healthy mother and child are not improving, and are not at the top of industrialized nations by a long shot.
Animal testing is a symptom of a species gone mad, and our sovereign attitude over animals only goes to show how arrogant one species can become: if more humans were nonviolent vegetarian, vegan even, there would be far fewer human diseases of all types, including liver failure which seems to be an issue for Nessie. The medical industry would become largely obsolete except for emergency care for accidents, and people who turn toward preventative health (balanced diet, fresh air, exercise), and away from expensive chemical measures which often cause more harm than good, and are moreover unavailable to most in this failing economy where far too few have access to medical care and insurance anyway. The fast food junk food greedy wasteful comsumptive selfish and cruel diets in the US makes us the most unhealthy and obese nation in the world, with crazy marketing ideas which take us further and further from health and nature with genetically reengineered everything and diseases of decadence which animals never encounter in the wild, like mad cow syndrome.
Fast Food Nation is a great book. If you are concerned about illness, the first rule is healing used to be: first cause no harm.
Look for motives: a lot of animals have dies for AIDS research, after th US was good enough to finally admit there was a problem that is, which took a while because it affected gays, African Americans and junkies at first--now that I think about it, that disease would nbever have been named or received any attention if vocal groups had not stood up over the deaths caused by blood transfusions affecting more privileged sectors. Meanwhile our government is intent on suppressing evidence that cannabis, a simple natural aid embraced by a lot of AIDS sufferers, can alleviate pain, regain appetite, and reduce tumors--because of the propaganda and control that the medical and pharmaceutical corporate forces wield in our society.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries are just big business. Let's take childbirth for example, going merrily for years in nature, something which used to be a happy private family affair only requiring medical guidance in mostr cases, not intervention--then the medical industry steps in to scare everybody, saying well to have a baby you need $20,000 minimum and a team of doctors and lots of drugs and equipment and probably a c section so the doctor can charge even more while pulling the baby out according to his schedule, etc--, yet our statistics regarding healthy mother and child are not improving, and are not at the top of industrialized nations by a long shot.
Animal testing is a symptom of a species gone mad, and our sovereign attitude over animals only goes to show how arrogant one species can become: if more humans were nonviolent vegetarian, vegan even, there would be far fewer human diseases of all types, including liver failure which seems to be an issue for Nessie. The medical industry would become largely obsolete except for emergency care for accidents, and people who turn toward preventative health (balanced diet, fresh air, exercise), and away from expensive chemical measures which often cause more harm than good, and are moreover unavailable to most in this failing economy where far too few have access to medical care and insurance anyway. The fast food junk food greedy wasteful comsumptive selfish and cruel diets in the US makes us the most unhealthy and obese nation in the world, with crazy marketing ideas which take us further and further from health and nature with genetically reengineered everything and diseases of decadence which animals never encounter in the wild, like mad cow syndrome.
Fast Food Nation is a great book. If you are concerned about illness, the first rule is healing used to be: first cause no harm.
Is anyone missing the point that SHAKLEE DOES NOT TEST ON ANIMALS!!!! These people are targeting a corporation that's PETA friendly. Everything Shaklee makes is all natural and there's no need to test any of it on animals. Yamanouchi's obviously not listening, yet you're terrorizing a company that is anti animal testing.
This attack was strange in that its only impact on animal testing was to make people pissed off at militant animal rights activists.
It should be condemned since it makes it harder for real groups working to end animal testing do their work. Who knows who really carries out this attack but there is something suspicous about it.
The lumber companies and/orFBI did things like this to discredit Earth First! Could it be that animal testing companies (or the FBI) did this to discredit militant animal rights activists. The only people who gained from this attack are those who have a strong interest in demonizing the animal rights movement.
It should be condemned since it makes it harder for real groups working to end animal testing do their work. Who knows who really carries out this attack but there is something suspicous about it.
The lumber companies and/orFBI did things like this to discredit Earth First! Could it be that animal testing companies (or the FBI) did this to discredit militant animal rights activists. The only people who gained from this attack are those who have a strong interest in demonizing the animal rights movement.
PETA friendly?
PETA has proven its self to be very callous to it's supposed friends. When there is something to be gained they will back stab anyone to get another donation or get some headline in the news. peta's tactics are generally the same, attack and deny, even their own supporters
PETA has proven its self to be very callous to it's supposed friends. When there is something to be gained they will back stab anyone to get another donation or get some headline in the news. peta's tactics are generally the same, attack and deny, even their own supporters
The WWF (World Wildlife Fund) had the gall to steal the name away from America's favorite sport (see http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0813-02.htm ). I guess they only care about cute animals that they can put on posters and care nothing for human animals that just want to come home after work sit back have a beer and relax. PETA may be annoying but at least so far they have left workingclass entertainment alone!
Its parent company, Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co. of Japan, is the target of a worldwide campaign by radical activists who accuse it of contracting with a company that does test on animals, research firm Huntingdon Life Sciences.
This is economic warfare against HLS.
See:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z34E43216
Parent firm might be real target of blast
By Inga Miller and Alan Zibel
STAFF WRITERS
Saturday, September 27, 2003 -
PLEASANTON -- As federal authorities examined remnants from an explosion at Shaklee Corp.'s offices Friday, they opened the second bomb investigation in the Bay Area within a month involving a company accused of ties to animal testing.
The FBI said it was too early to determine if there was a link to the pipe bombs detonated outside Chiron Corp. headquarters in Emeryville on Aug. 28. No one has been arrested in connection with either occurrence. But an animal rights organization claimed responsibility for the first blast.
"We're still investigating both cases," FBI spokesman Anthony Montero said. "We are not saying it is linked and we are not saying it isn't linked -- we don't know."
Pleasanton-based Shaklee prides itself on avoiding animal testing. The company sells vitamins, personal hygiene products and home cleaners and is listed on the "caring consumer" Web site of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The site lauds Shaklee as a company that doesn't test products on animals.
But its parent company, Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co. of Japan, is the target of a worldwide campaign by radical activists who accuse it of contracting with a company that does test on animals, research firm Huntingdon Life Sciences.
It is the same company whose practices were spotlighted by extremists after the Emeryville attack.
An elusive group calling itself the Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility for that blast, alleging Chiron, the country's third largest biotechnology firm, was asked to sever its ties with the company and "now it is time for you to face the consequences of your actions." Two homemade bombs broke windows and damaged the door to the company selling vaccines, blood tests and pharmaceuticals.
So far, members of the Revolutionary Cells have evaded authorities.
Friday's bombing may be part of that campaign, animal rights activists said.
"In the past, activists have targeted subsidiaries of clients of Huntingdon with the idea of putting pressure on them, which in turn puts pressure on their higher-ups," said Rick Simpson, a volunteer activist for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA.
The animal rights clearing house publishes "undercover investigations" on its Web site, where it alleges Huntingdon lab workers abuse animals they use in experiments. It has a strict code on violence, Simpson said, but "our definition of violence might be different" from other people's.
"We do not believe the destruction of property is violent. We do support direct action so long as the necessary precautions are taken to avoid any injury or death to animals, both human or non-human," Simpson said. "So if those steps are taken to not injure anyone, we can support direct action."
Huntingdon officials did not return calls requesting comment Friday, and Shaklee spokeswoman Jennifer Thompson declined to comment about Yamanouchi, but confirmed Shaklee does not test on animals.
Kevin Jonas, a spokesman for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA, said Friday his group had not received word from any animal rights organization claiming responsibility for the Shaklee attack. But, he said, "it does look like it could be part of the global campaign to shut Huntingdon" down.
Jonas said his group applauds Shaklee for stands it has taken against animal testing but added Shaklee's parent company has "a long and very rich history of animal cruelty" in contracting with Huntingdon. Targeting subsidiaries of companies that do business with Huntingdon is a campaign tactic that's worked well around the world, he said.
"We hope that they (Shaklee) do extend their influence with their parent company," Jonas said. If enough of Yamanouchi's subsidiaries feel pressure, he said, "they're going to do what makes business sense, and they're going to cut that business relationship" with Huntingdon.
Activists have been targeting Huntingdon since 1999, when it was based in England, focusing on its staff, directors, shareholders, financial institutions and customers.
In 2001, New Jersey-based Life Sciences Research Inc. acquired Huntingdon. Actions against the company have included arson attacks on employees' cars and physical attacks on two senior managers, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Huntingdon says its research is conducted under a "high standard" of animal welfare.
On the British Web site of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, a graphic reads, "If you're a customer of HLS (Huntingdon Lab Sciences) ... we will find you."
Shaklee's address on Willow Road in Pleasanton was listed on that Web site as "Yamanouchi Consumer Inc."
Shaklee was founded in Oakland in 1956 by Forrest Shaklee and his two sons. It moved its headquarters to Pleasanton in 2000.
Shaklee has deep ties to the Bay Area.
The company, much like Amway or Mary Kay, uses a network of local distributors who sell products directly to consumers.
Over the years, the company has had offices in Hayward, Emeryville and San Francisco. The company has won numerous awards for environmental responsibility, including the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's climate protection award, which it won last year.
Gladys Cox of Pinole, a Shaklee distributor since 1969, called Friday's bombing "just about as stupid as me going off and putting a bomb on somebody's house because they were saying something about my granddaughter ... It's so pointless, it's so childish. It's so immoral."
This is economic warfare against HLS.
See:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z34E43216
Parent firm might be real target of blast
By Inga Miller and Alan Zibel
STAFF WRITERS
Saturday, September 27, 2003 -
PLEASANTON -- As federal authorities examined remnants from an explosion at Shaklee Corp.'s offices Friday, they opened the second bomb investigation in the Bay Area within a month involving a company accused of ties to animal testing.
The FBI said it was too early to determine if there was a link to the pipe bombs detonated outside Chiron Corp. headquarters in Emeryville on Aug. 28. No one has been arrested in connection with either occurrence. But an animal rights organization claimed responsibility for the first blast.
"We're still investigating both cases," FBI spokesman Anthony Montero said. "We are not saying it is linked and we are not saying it isn't linked -- we don't know."
Pleasanton-based Shaklee prides itself on avoiding animal testing. The company sells vitamins, personal hygiene products and home cleaners and is listed on the "caring consumer" Web site of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The site lauds Shaklee as a company that doesn't test products on animals.
But its parent company, Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co. of Japan, is the target of a worldwide campaign by radical activists who accuse it of contracting with a company that does test on animals, research firm Huntingdon Life Sciences.
It is the same company whose practices were spotlighted by extremists after the Emeryville attack.
An elusive group calling itself the Revolutionary Cells claimed responsibility for that blast, alleging Chiron, the country's third largest biotechnology firm, was asked to sever its ties with the company and "now it is time for you to face the consequences of your actions." Two homemade bombs broke windows and damaged the door to the company selling vaccines, blood tests and pharmaceuticals.
So far, members of the Revolutionary Cells have evaded authorities.
Friday's bombing may be part of that campaign, animal rights activists said.
"In the past, activists have targeted subsidiaries of clients of Huntingdon with the idea of putting pressure on them, which in turn puts pressure on their higher-ups," said Rick Simpson, a volunteer activist for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA.
The animal rights clearing house publishes "undercover investigations" on its Web site, where it alleges Huntingdon lab workers abuse animals they use in experiments. It has a strict code on violence, Simpson said, but "our definition of violence might be different" from other people's.
"We do not believe the destruction of property is violent. We do support direct action so long as the necessary precautions are taken to avoid any injury or death to animals, both human or non-human," Simpson said. "So if those steps are taken to not injure anyone, we can support direct action."
Huntingdon officials did not return calls requesting comment Friday, and Shaklee spokeswoman Jennifer Thompson declined to comment about Yamanouchi, but confirmed Shaklee does not test on animals.
Kevin Jonas, a spokesman for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA, said Friday his group had not received word from any animal rights organization claiming responsibility for the Shaklee attack. But, he said, "it does look like it could be part of the global campaign to shut Huntingdon" down.
Jonas said his group applauds Shaklee for stands it has taken against animal testing but added Shaklee's parent company has "a long and very rich history of animal cruelty" in contracting with Huntingdon. Targeting subsidiaries of companies that do business with Huntingdon is a campaign tactic that's worked well around the world, he said.
"We hope that they (Shaklee) do extend their influence with their parent company," Jonas said. If enough of Yamanouchi's subsidiaries feel pressure, he said, "they're going to do what makes business sense, and they're going to cut that business relationship" with Huntingdon.
Activists have been targeting Huntingdon since 1999, when it was based in England, focusing on its staff, directors, shareholders, financial institutions and customers.
In 2001, New Jersey-based Life Sciences Research Inc. acquired Huntingdon. Actions against the company have included arson attacks on employees' cars and physical attacks on two senior managers, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Huntingdon says its research is conducted under a "high standard" of animal welfare.
On the British Web site of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, a graphic reads, "If you're a customer of HLS (Huntingdon Lab Sciences) ... we will find you."
Shaklee's address on Willow Road in Pleasanton was listed on that Web site as "Yamanouchi Consumer Inc."
Shaklee was founded in Oakland in 1956 by Forrest Shaklee and his two sons. It moved its headquarters to Pleasanton in 2000.
Shaklee has deep ties to the Bay Area.
The company, much like Amway or Mary Kay, uses a network of local distributors who sell products directly to consumers.
Over the years, the company has had offices in Hayward, Emeryville and San Francisco. The company has won numerous awards for environmental responsibility, including the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's climate protection award, which it won last year.
Gladys Cox of Pinole, a Shaklee distributor since 1969, called Friday's bombing "just about as stupid as me going off and putting a bomb on somebody's house because they were saying something about my granddaughter ... It's so pointless, it's so childish. It's so immoral."
I think extreme animal rightists are up there with extreme anti-abortionists (the kind that shoot abortion doctors). The anti-abortionists also see a "genocide" going on, and use that feeling to drive endless passions until someone gets hurt.
The funny thing is that reasonable animal rightists have accomplished much. All animal research in this day and age has strict requirements regarding appropriateness and reduction of animal suffering (as much as possible).
The funny thing is that reasonable animal rightists have accomplished much. All animal research in this day and age has strict requirements regarding appropriateness and reduction of animal suffering (as much as possible).
"I’m not polite to you because you don’t deserve it. You want me to be polite to you?... Then apologize to me in public. Then I’ll be polite to you."
or to paraphrase:
Kiss my feet. For I am the great and powerful Nessie. I am anarchism. I am righteousness. All who disgaree with me are worse than Nazis.....
Its nice to know the Bay Area finally has a news site run by someone who opposes authoritarianism....hehehe
Rude behavior by random trolls is one thing but rude behavior by someone who supposedly want this site to have an impact is a little strange.
or to paraphrase:
Kiss my feet. For I am the great and powerful Nessie. I am anarchism. I am righteousness. All who disgaree with me are worse than Nazis.....
Its nice to know the Bay Area finally has a news site run by someone who opposes authoritarianism....hehehe
Rude behavior by random trolls is one thing but rude behavior by someone who supposedly want this site to have an impact is a little strange.
"If they are "rude," you'll be getting off easy. A significant proportion of them will just slug you on the spot, and I say, more power to them. "
A significant portion of who?
A majority of the US population is obviously opposed to bomb attacks on buildings in the US Most Americans see abortion clinic violence, ELF/ALF violence, violence by groups like the Weather Underground, and perhaps even windows getting broken at protests in the same light. If you think property damage is evil and terroristic say so, but it seems like the attacks on this site against animal rights have been more about the goal than the tactics.
Polls asking people their opinion about animal testing show that 90%+ have moral problems with some animal testing, with a slight majority feeling current laws related to animal testing still allow companies to act in ways that are immoral.
The thing that makes Nessie's response seem paranoid is that aside from him I've never seen someone who supports animal testing for medical research actually care about the protests. While antifur protests can work since the target of public protests is the public, protests against testing of drugs on animals cant have much effect (with prescription drugs one cant really shop around). The public has created laws relating to the conditions under which animals used in research are kept, but I havnt heard any scientist complain that this gets in the way of science.
Go up to someone on the street and tell them your opposed to animal testings and just about everyone will say "So what" or "who cares". Go to a hospital where people are getting treated using medicine that (by law) was tested on animals and you will get a similar response. Only crazies like Nessie would get the urge to punch you.
A significant portion of who?
A majority of the US population is obviously opposed to bomb attacks on buildings in the US Most Americans see abortion clinic violence, ELF/ALF violence, violence by groups like the Weather Underground, and perhaps even windows getting broken at protests in the same light. If you think property damage is evil and terroristic say so, but it seems like the attacks on this site against animal rights have been more about the goal than the tactics.
Polls asking people their opinion about animal testing show that 90%+ have moral problems with some animal testing, with a slight majority feeling current laws related to animal testing still allow companies to act in ways that are immoral.
The thing that makes Nessie's response seem paranoid is that aside from him I've never seen someone who supports animal testing for medical research actually care about the protests. While antifur protests can work since the target of public protests is the public, protests against testing of drugs on animals cant have much effect (with prescription drugs one cant really shop around). The public has created laws relating to the conditions under which animals used in research are kept, but I havnt heard any scientist complain that this gets in the way of science.
Go up to someone on the street and tell them your opposed to animal testings and just about everyone will say "So what" or "who cares". Go to a hospital where people are getting treated using medicine that (by law) was tested on animals and you will get a similar response. Only crazies like Nessie would get the urge to punch you.
I thought all the slow, hideous, painful rhetoric had killed off these animal research threads...... looks like the Emeryville thread has reincarnated itself.... probably the old 'start a thread so I can mount my sopa box' initiative going on here.
People do that; they find something, ctrl-c/v, start a forum thread, then begin droning away egocentric drivel until nothing remains but incoherent bunkum. It's utterly transparent. Verily, it's mind numbing drudgery aswell just trying to decode their ill-conceived statements.
But, there's 'freedom of the press'. By all means, let the slow, hideous, painful syntax continue.... however banal and poorly argued it may be.
People do that; they find something, ctrl-c/v, start a forum thread, then begin droning away egocentric drivel until nothing remains but incoherent bunkum. It's utterly transparent. Verily, it's mind numbing drudgery aswell just trying to decode their ill-conceived statements.
But, there's 'freedom of the press'. By all means, let the slow, hideous, painful syntax continue.... however banal and poorly argued it may be.
am i the only one who believes that maybe these people are getting what they deserve? not only the vivisectors and "scientists" who condust cruel tests on animals, but also the people who you are so adamant on saving. true, many people do genetically inherit horrible conditions from their parents, however how do you contract these horrible things if you've been living a life free of the things which cause you to have them. i mean, why should innocent creatures die to cure someone's cancer they gave themself from years of smoking? or a pig be killed to give insulin to a diabetic who lived their life eating terrible food their whole lives. these people are getting what they deserve. and if its their parents fault that they have these "diseases" then maybe its just further punishment for the horrible lives they lived. its not the animal's fault, and it is not their responsibility to save you from your errors. reap what you sow.
am i the only one who believes that maybe these people are getting what they deserve? not only the vivisectors and "scientists" who condust cruel tests on animals, but also the people who you are so adamant on saving. true, many people do genetically inherit horrible conditions from their parents, however how do you contract these horrible things if you've been living a life free of the things which cause you to have them. i mean, why should innocent creatures die to cure someone's cancer they gave themself from years of smoking? or a pig be killed to give insulin to a diabetic who lived their life eating terrible food their whole lives. these people are getting what they deserve. and if its their parents fault that they have these "diseases" then maybe its just further punishment for the horrible lives they lived. its not the animal's fault, and it is not their responsibility to save you from your errors. reap what you sow.
(1.) The public does not create laws. The government creates laws.
is that so? i thought that went against the whole point of voting. do you vote? as a matter of fact, public does make laws. contact your local congressman for more information.
in addition, i find it very obvious that you have a family member (or possibly yourself) is dying and you can't cope with it. i would console you if i didn't think you'd tell me it was my fault as well.
is that so? i thought that went against the whole point of voting. do you vote? as a matter of fact, public does make laws. contact your local congressman for more information.
in addition, i find it very obvious that you have a family member (or possibly yourself) is dying and you can't cope with it. i would console you if i didn't think you'd tell me it was my fault as well.
Jews should thank our fuhrer Arafat for murdering and displacing them, thus keeping their population down to a level where it will not disturb the superior anti-jew Anti-zionist race. .
Shame on us that we desperately misuse as our last chance zionists such as Uri Avnery, Jews Against The Occupation and Jews For a Just Peace despite they hate our racist Anti-Zionist ideology.
Shame on every Jew who does not kiss the bloody terrorists boots of arab nationalists and imperialists.
All of the above mentioned types of people, as well as anyone else who dares to stand up against our nazi-antizionist crimes, we love to label 'anti-arab racist'.
Heil Hitler !
Heil our speciesist anti-zionism !
!
- A concerned Anti-Zionist
p.s. to white supremacist above-
yes, shame on Jews, who have a higher percentage of vegetarians, vegans and animal right activists than most other ethnic groups.
http://schwartz.enviroweb.org/judaism_ar.html
http://palestine.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/87565_comment.php
Shame on us that we desperately misuse as our last chance zionists such as Uri Avnery, Jews Against The Occupation and Jews For a Just Peace despite they hate our racist Anti-Zionist ideology.
Shame on every Jew who does not kiss the bloody terrorists boots of arab nationalists and imperialists.
All of the above mentioned types of people, as well as anyone else who dares to stand up against our nazi-antizionist crimes, we love to label 'anti-arab racist'.
Heil Hitler !
Heil our speciesist anti-zionism !
!
- A concerned Anti-Zionist
p.s. to white supremacist above-
yes, shame on Jews, who have a higher percentage of vegetarians, vegans and animal right activists than most other ethnic groups.
http://schwartz.enviroweb.org/judaism_ar.html
http://palestine.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/87565_comment.php
Nessie, do you accept that there is a strong animal rights component to the global anarchist movement? Do you accept that a large percentage of self-described anarchists are vegan because of concerns for animal rights?
Do you think such trends point to Nazi sympathies among anarchists or do you just feel that they are misled?
tao.ca's link of anarchist organization links has animal rights centered prominantly:
http://www.tao.ca/~cec/alink.htm
And even AINFOS has hundreds and hundreds of animal rights posts:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66426A16
I bet a large number of animal rights activists might agree with you on some specific research if it really had a chance of saving a friend of yours' life. But you are not giving them a chance. Most anarchists support for animal rights is an extension of beliefs in human rights not contradictory to such beliefs. Most people (anarchists and otherwise) support some form of animal rights and dont see animals as simple objects. Most people who support animal rights are not opposed to all testing that involves animals. Some people do hold extreme views but you should not hold that against the broader movement (there are irrational extremists involved with just about any cause).
If you take a look around the internet I think you would be surprised that animal rights groups seem to have grown out of various anarchist movements rather than Nazi movements as you have claimed. Many militant animal rights groups probably recruited most of their members at Anarchist bookfairs and other anarchist events (see http://makeashorterlink.com/?G57412A16
)
Do you think such trends point to Nazi sympathies among anarchists or do you just feel that they are misled?
tao.ca's link of anarchist organization links has animal rights centered prominantly:
http://www.tao.ca/~cec/alink.htm
And even AINFOS has hundreds and hundreds of animal rights posts:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X66426A16
I bet a large number of animal rights activists might agree with you on some specific research if it really had a chance of saving a friend of yours' life. But you are not giving them a chance. Most anarchists support for animal rights is an extension of beliefs in human rights not contradictory to such beliefs. Most people (anarchists and otherwise) support some form of animal rights and dont see animals as simple objects. Most people who support animal rights are not opposed to all testing that involves animals. Some people do hold extreme views but you should not hold that against the broader movement (there are irrational extremists involved with just about any cause).
If you take a look around the internet I think you would be surprised that animal rights groups seem to have grown out of various anarchist movements rather than Nazi movements as you have claimed. Many militant animal rights groups probably recruited most of their members at Anarchist bookfairs and other anarchist events (see http://makeashorterlink.com/?G57412A16
)
What's this awful news of targeting families to harm by this Revolutionary Cells Animal Liberation Brigade?
To those violent people who quickly forget the lessons of history -
VIOLENCE BEGETS MORE VIOLENCE !
Be what you want the world to be - Gandhi
I thought if you don't want a violent world, then don't be violent yourself!
What purpose is creating more fear and doubt? If more love and trust is created, then those who awaken to the cause will be more apt to be loyal to it instead of live in fear of it.
I think those who commit violence stoop as low as the people who commit the same against the animals when you target people who just don't know any better.Violence in this way gives the animal rights and vegan movements the worst reputation and will only cause more anti-vegans. And because of the gestapo tactics of the Bush monarchy, God forbid you should end up a sound bite on the 10 oclock news branded as "terrorists" as part of their fear-mongering tactics.
If you want to awaken the masses against tyranny, then educate them, love them, speak with your pocketbook. More people will love you back for taking a positive approach and maintain loyalty to the cause because it is associated with love and trust, not fear and doubt.
And PUHLEEEZ don't tell me that tired old cliche that violent upheaval was always a necessary component of progress. To get rid of Hitler, yes it was necessary. Now it is time to seek more clever ways to RISE UP which will prevent more Hitlers and do not cause more fear and harm.
You can't force people to stop eating meat and dairy. They will do it on their own when you provide a good example of how healthy and LESS violent you can become when you are vegan. Vegetarians are more clever but meat-eaters are more violent and better trained in more numbers to rise up against vegans and hate everything the movement represents. Education with clear intent to a healthy, better way will lead people to the vegan waterhole and drink forever the immortal strength that is there.
To eliminate fear of losing jobs, continue creating and proposing new opportunities so the masses feel comfortable as change occurs at their own pace.
Make sense?
To those violent people who quickly forget the lessons of history -
VIOLENCE BEGETS MORE VIOLENCE !
Be what you want the world to be - Gandhi
I thought if you don't want a violent world, then don't be violent yourself!
What purpose is creating more fear and doubt? If more love and trust is created, then those who awaken to the cause will be more apt to be loyal to it instead of live in fear of it.
I think those who commit violence stoop as low as the people who commit the same against the animals when you target people who just don't know any better.Violence in this way gives the animal rights and vegan movements the worst reputation and will only cause more anti-vegans. And because of the gestapo tactics of the Bush monarchy, God forbid you should end up a sound bite on the 10 oclock news branded as "terrorists" as part of their fear-mongering tactics.
If you want to awaken the masses against tyranny, then educate them, love them, speak with your pocketbook. More people will love you back for taking a positive approach and maintain loyalty to the cause because it is associated with love and trust, not fear and doubt.
And PUHLEEEZ don't tell me that tired old cliche that violent upheaval was always a necessary component of progress. To get rid of Hitler, yes it was necessary. Now it is time to seek more clever ways to RISE UP which will prevent more Hitlers and do not cause more fear and harm.
You can't force people to stop eating meat and dairy. They will do it on their own when you provide a good example of how healthy and LESS violent you can become when you are vegan. Vegetarians are more clever but meat-eaters are more violent and better trained in more numbers to rise up against vegans and hate everything the movement represents. Education with clear intent to a healthy, better way will lead people to the vegan waterhole and drink forever the immortal strength that is there.
To eliminate fear of losing jobs, continue creating and proposing new opportunities so the masses feel comfortable as change occurs at their own pace.
Make sense?
Why Californians should vote for me: Only my budget plan will reverse the cutbacks. I will institute a fair tax so that the poor do not pay more taxes than the wealthy. I support a living wage, electoral reform, universal health care, and renewable energy.
peter, why are you posting a totally irrelevant off-topic post? maybe if you'd posted some stance on the issue you're posting under i would see you as a person, not just a automated bot posting in random forums.
nessie, make up a new argument... you recycle your thoughts. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Truly though, that is a rare case, and while it may not be his fault it isn't the norm. There are problems with our medical system, and they do error. But nowhere in your post about your friend did i see where you stated that any by-product f animal testing could have saved them. so, i see that as an irrelevant argument meant to stir the emotions of all that read it. So, yes, i still hold true to the idea that a healthy lifestyle will keep you from diseases (note in neither post did i say accidents) I'm not afraid of your "promises" of bodily harm, I never said your friend deserved to get hit by a drunk driver. In fact, i'm very much against alcohol abuse. On the issue of us wanted to "kill your loved ones" it has nothing to do with you asshole, quit being a martyr. It has to do with the millions of animals dying every year in animal testing facilities. They aren't killing your loved ones (unless they are working at animal testing facilities or clients thereof) your loved ones are killing themselves with horrible lifestyles. I may be in error, in fact, please cite an example of when an animal rights activist killed one of your loved ones. I feel your assertions are unfounded and are simply emotional projection.
curious, thank you for bringing up the topic of anarchism. although, almost every anarchist i've ever met has had no nazi sympathy whatsoever. I suppose i am an extremist as i don't see any call for any testing on animals at all. even the facilities at HLS themselves admit that the tests are only valid "5-25% of the time." and one animal suffering needlessly is one too many.
The world's incessant progress and desensitization has smothered all respect for the earth and its inhabitants. Sometimes it takes a deathtoll for people to see the pain they inflict daily. more animals die in testing facilities every year than the number of employees that will have to die to bring about change. And, yes nessie, that is a promise.
nessie, make up a new argument... you recycle your thoughts. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Truly though, that is a rare case, and while it may not be his fault it isn't the norm. There are problems with our medical system, and they do error. But nowhere in your post about your friend did i see where you stated that any by-product f animal testing could have saved them. so, i see that as an irrelevant argument meant to stir the emotions of all that read it. So, yes, i still hold true to the idea that a healthy lifestyle will keep you from diseases (note in neither post did i say accidents) I'm not afraid of your "promises" of bodily harm, I never said your friend deserved to get hit by a drunk driver. In fact, i'm very much against alcohol abuse. On the issue of us wanted to "kill your loved ones" it has nothing to do with you asshole, quit being a martyr. It has to do with the millions of animals dying every year in animal testing facilities. They aren't killing your loved ones (unless they are working at animal testing facilities or clients thereof) your loved ones are killing themselves with horrible lifestyles. I may be in error, in fact, please cite an example of when an animal rights activist killed one of your loved ones. I feel your assertions are unfounded and are simply emotional projection.
curious, thank you for bringing up the topic of anarchism. although, almost every anarchist i've ever met has had no nazi sympathy whatsoever. I suppose i am an extremist as i don't see any call for any testing on animals at all. even the facilities at HLS themselves admit that the tests are only valid "5-25% of the time." and one animal suffering needlessly is one too many.
The world's incessant progress and desensitization has smothered all respect for the earth and its inhabitants. Sometimes it takes a deathtoll for people to see the pain they inflict daily. more animals die in testing facilities every year than the number of employees that will have to die to bring about change. And, yes nessie, that is a promise.
get what you deserve
by panic Friday October 03, 2003 at 11:55 AM
am i the only one who believes that maybe these people are getting what they deserve? not only the vivisectors and "scientists" who condust cruel tests on animals, but also the people who you are so adamant on saving. true, many people do genetically inherit horrible conditions from their parents, however how do you contract these horrible things if you've been living a life free of the things which cause you to have them. i mean, why should innocent creatures die to cure someone's cancer they gave themself from years of smoking? or a pig be killed to give insulin to a diabetic who lived their life eating terrible food their whole lives. these people are getting what they deserve. and if its their parents fault that they have these "diseases" then maybe its just further punishment for the horrible lives they lived. its not the animal's fault, and it is not their responsibility to save you from your errors. reap what you sow.
***************
I'm kicking back in my recliner. The popcorn is hot and fresh. I'm ready for the grand entertainment, of seeing the sheer panic in the eyes of a morally superior non-smoking vegetarian asswipe who gets the news from it's doctor that it's diabetic and has lung cancer.
by panic Friday October 03, 2003 at 11:55 AM
am i the only one who believes that maybe these people are getting what they deserve? not only the vivisectors and "scientists" who condust cruel tests on animals, but also the people who you are so adamant on saving. true, many people do genetically inherit horrible conditions from their parents, however how do you contract these horrible things if you've been living a life free of the things which cause you to have them. i mean, why should innocent creatures die to cure someone's cancer they gave themself from years of smoking? or a pig be killed to give insulin to a diabetic who lived their life eating terrible food their whole lives. these people are getting what they deserve. and if its their parents fault that they have these "diseases" then maybe its just further punishment for the horrible lives they lived. its not the animal's fault, and it is not their responsibility to save you from your errors. reap what you sow.
***************
I'm kicking back in my recliner. The popcorn is hot and fresh. I'm ready for the grand entertainment, of seeing the sheer panic in the eyes of a morally superior non-smoking vegetarian asswipe who gets the news from it's doctor that it's diabetic and has lung cancer.
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