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Questionnaire for American Jews

by Just Curious
Dual Citizenship is only allowed between the US and Israel. The minute an American Jew sets foot on Israel, he or she is literally an Israeli citizen. He or she can acquire land, vote or serve in the Israeli government or army. This poses interesting questions.
I hope that you Amercian Jews who choose to participate in this questionnaire will be truthful in your responses.
We will all appreciate your input.

Do you, as an American Jew, consider yourself an Israeli American?

Do you ever or have you ever referred to yourself as such?

Do you feel more American or do you feel more Israeli in your mind and heart?

How important is Israel to you?

Would it bother you terribly if Israel were to be transformed into a completely secular, democratic country, with the one-state solution, allowing all Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes inside Palestine/Israel as is their right according to International Law and UN Resolutions?

Would it bother you terribly if this new state were re-named Palestine, or perhaps Palestine-Israel?

How do you feel about the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty in 1967 which killed 34 Americans and wounded 172 more?

How do you feel about American Jews going over to fight with the IDF in Israel to kill Palestinians?

If you had to choose between American and Israeli citizenship, which would you choose?

Are you afraid of anti-Semitic backlash as more Americans find out the role of powerful Jewish lobby groups like AIPAC in determining our US foreign policy and other governmental matters?

Do you accept that Palestinians are human beings equal to us all?

Do you really think Jews are the Chosen People or is that just a myth? If they are the Chosen People, what are they chosen for?

Do you think that Jews are just human beings like everyone else, no better and no worse?

What do you think is the Grand Plan of the Zionists?

Are most Jews atheists? What is the percentage that are atheists do you think?

Is Judaism a race, a tribe or a religion, or all three?

What is the percentage of non-Zionist Jews?

As a Jew, how do you feel about AIPAC?



Thank you in advance for your sincere replies and comments.



by bov
The zionazi's are going to freak . . .
by X2
"Dual Citizenship is only allowed between the US and Israel."

gee. I wonder how it is I have dual Canadian/American citizenship them.
by q
> Do you, as an American Jew, consider yourself an Israeli American?

No. I am an american.


> Do you ever or have you ever referred to yourself as such?

No.

> Do you feel more American or do you feel more Israeli in your mind and heart?

American, though I do hope an pray for peace in Israel.

>How important is Israel to you?

Very. Israel is our Eliis Island and our motherland rolled into one.

> Would it bother you terribly if Israel were to be transformed into a completely secular, democratic country, with the one-state solution, allowing all Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes inside Palestine/Israel as is their right according to International Law and UN Resolutions?

I would love to see the day when such a secular state could exist in the region. However, given the reality that Jews are still threatened by anti-jewish regimes around the world, there are many Jews who believe that Israel should be a "safe house" for Jews. Israel and the Arab world have a such huge divergence in their value structures that I doubt a secular single state could exist anytime soon.

I would point out that Israel continually struggles internally with the conflict between religious values and western, democratic values. This struggle will not be resolved any time soon. Further, I would say that the vast majority of the Arab regimes do not share this internal struggle - Ultimately, Sharia law prevails.

>Would it bother you terribly if this new state were re-named Palestine, or perhaps Palestine-Israel?

If such a state could exist without civil war, I would be happy to call it SooperDooperLand for all I care.

> How do you feel about the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty in 1967 which killed 34 Americans and wounded 172 more?

This accident has been used by every nazi sympathizing group to illustrate how Jews have a secret plan to conquer western civilization. OK.... I'll admit it - I'm a member of ZOG, the Zionist Occupational Government, and we're here to turn your babies into matzoh.... bwahahahahahaha!

> How do you feel about American Jews going over to fight with the IDF in Israel to kill Palestinians?

"to kill", hardly. If anyone went to join the IDF for this purpose, American Jews, myself included, would be mortified. Very few american jews join the IDF, as the IDF does not customarily offer Ulpan, or intensive Hebrew lessons. One cannot join the IDF without being fluent in Hebrew. Those that do join typically were born in Israel and/or have large family contingents in Israel, and know Hebrew.

> If you had to choose between American and Israeli citizenship, which would you choose?

I am proud to be a citizen of the United States, and would not become a citizen of Israel unless life became threatening for Jews in this country, an unlikely occurence because, after all, we control the politicians, the media, and the banks bwahahahahaha!

> Are you afraid of anti-Semitic backlash as more Americans find out the role of powerful Jewish lobby groups like AIPAC in determining our US foreign policy and other governmental matters?

Whatever anti-jewish (notice how I purposely do not use anti-semitic, as I realze that Palestinian Arabs are semitic people as well) sentiment there is in this country cannot be attributed to backlash. Hatred is hatred, and hatred only needs a reason to be exposed, not to exist.

AIPAC didn't cause the hatred. It is a different thing entirely to disagree with AIPAC, or all Zionists for that matter, than to rationalize an "anti-jewish backlash"

And no, I'm not afraid. After what my ancestors went through, why should I be afraid of anything?

> Do you accept that Palestinians are human beings equal to us all?

Absolutely. They are entitled to choose life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, just as all of us should be. No free passes, no exceptions either way.

> Do you really think Jews are the Chosen People or is that just a myth? If they are the Chosen People, what are they chosen for?

All Jews believe that we are chosen, chosen by God to learn through trial and tribulation, and ultimately to come out stronger in order to repair the world and make it a better place. Tikkun Olam.

> Do you think that Jews are just human beings like everyone else, no better and no worse?

Human beings, yes. Better people, no, though we do tend to know our own faults better than most, which in itself is a gift.

> What do you think is the Grand Plan of the Zionists?

If there is a grand plan, I'd sure like to know about it. The ZOG didn't invite me to that meeting. Look, all we really want is to be treated with dignity like other people, and to have a homeland that we can call our own, just like any other nation. That's why traditionally Jews have worked with African Americans and Native Americans, because we understand what it means to lose your heritage.

> Are most Jews atheists? What is the percentage that are atheists do you think?

Atheists, no. Agnostic, in this country, I'd say about 50%. In Israel, that figure is much lower, say 20%.

> Is Judaism a race, a tribe or a religion, or all three?

Judaism is not a race, and frankly the only race I (or many, many Jews) believe in is the human race.
Judaism is a nation, not a tribe, because we share a common historical and cultural bond with all other Jews. Obviously, Judaism is a religion.

> What is the percentage of non-Zionist Jews?

Very, very small.

> As a Jew, how do you feel about AIPAC?

Like most Jews, rather indifferent, though it is nice to know that someone out there is looking out for us, both home and abroad. Frankly, though, just like any PAC, people differ in their opinion of it. Especially Jews.. "2 Jews, 3 Opinions".


> Thank you in advance for your sincere replies and comments.

I hope this helps, and I further hope you are not using this survey as troll-bait for neo-nazi propaganda. If so, kiss my white ass.
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by cp
this is sort of retarded. You aren't challenging the IRISH (in capitals, like you write 'the Jews!') for constantly holding Saint Patricks' day celebrations every year, and the IRA is funded by irish-americans, and putting irish flags up in their windows in Boston, and sometimes carrying around a complex that they were a persecuted white group in america even though for some reason quite a few african americans got irish last names transferred to them from the days of slavery and irish americans are no poorer than any other white group. And the same could be said about lots of other ethnicities where americans still exhibit token national loyalty - Greeks, Italians, Mexican americans.
And I was about to point that out about dual citizenship with Canada. I'm both german and american. I could start listing off the cases where german immigrants were lynched in the US for their ethnicity, and now the US gov't put germans, italians and japanese people in camps during WWII, and in several cases actually sent german recent immigrants back to germany during the war, some of them jewish. My friend is Pakistani Canadian american citizen. They set something up so that a number of people can vote in both mexico and the US, while I can't do that with germany.
by just curious
First of all, Canadian-American dual citizenship is NOT automatic. I happen to know someone who is Canadian who is being deported. Also the US is not fleeced by Ireland, like it is by Israel, for at least 4 to 6 million $$from US taxpayers yearly! Also, Ireland nor England is an aparthied regime.

q, thanks for your thoughtful input. Just two thoughts: if Israel is your Ellis Island, what is the REAL Ellis Island to you? And what is so SAFE about about Israel, a stolen land from the indigenous people, the Palestinians? What is so grand about a country that is based on ethnic cleansing that is continuing to this day? If Jews want a safe homeland, why don't they go the Antiartica? Only the penguins will be disturbed there, which would be a shame. Why don't Jews just be happy with being American citizens? As you noted, Jews have assimilated tremendously successfully here in the US. Why can't they be happy with that? Why do Jews insist on a racist, Jewish state in a land that is naturally Arab and Muslim-dominated? WHY? Before the Zionist movement which began in 1880's, there were Muslims, Jews and Christians who all lived in relative harmony in Palestine. Sure Palestine was periodically "ruled" by absentee rulers like the Ottoman Emprire, Persia, just to name a few, but for the most part, the indigenous peoples were left alone to live in relative peace. Sure, they may have been mostly an agricultural culture, without alot of development, but who says development is always good? Many people are happy just to live a peaceful life and are not driven by MONEY and POWER. Unfortunately, these indigenous peoples around the world get their ass kicked by Western opportunists, and that includes the Jewish Zionists from Eastern Europe who have always and continue to ride roughshod over the Palestinians. What kind of religion sanctifies what Israel has been doing and has always done to the Palestinians. I think you better take a cue from the Ultra Orthodox Jews, q. Check it out, http://www.jewsnotzionists.com and http://www.netureikarta.org. And by the way, I have been finding out that most of the Jews in Israel are atheists from taking a poll from various Jews I meet. THAT I believe. The Ten Commandments clearly state the following: THOU SHALT NOT KILL. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. THOU SHALT NOT LIE. Israel has been killing Palestinians since day one of its creation (http://www.cactus48.com), Israel has been stealing land from the Palestinians from day one of its creation, and Israel has been lying about everything it does to the Palestinians, and tries to pass itself off as a democracy, when in truth it is a racist, anti-democratic, aparthied regime. Israel always denies that it has no intentions of a just peace with the Palestinians, but rather is on a campaign to one way or another, rid Palestinians from Palestine-Israel. Israel denies free access to what it is doing to the Palestinians, to the point of even intentionally killing journalists. Israel denied access for the UN fact-finding team to inspect the results of its crimes against humanity, yet it's obvious Israel is trying to hide the truth about everything it does and stands for : a racist, anti-democratic apartheid regime, which is GUILTY of ethnic cleansing and slow genocide via house demolitions, random killings, targetted assassinations, destroying of crops and property and infrastructure, denial of adequate food, water, amentites (even tho the Palestinians pays taxes to Israel), denial of equal rights, confiscation of Palestinian land, collective punishment... AND YOU THINK THIS IS ALL WORTH IT FOR YOUR JEWISH "SAFE-HOUSE"? THINK AGAIN.
by huh?
I know people who are dual citizens in the US from Switzerland and the U.K.
by just curious
q, what are YOU doing to ensure that Palestinians have the same freedom, liberty and ability to pursuit happiness in Palestine- Israel? Are you all pretty words, or do you take any action whatsoever to try to correct the injustices that the Palestinians are suffering and have been suffering at the hands of Zionist Jews, who are supported with OUR US tax dollars??????????????????????
by bov
Could someone please figure out the truth behind this dual-citizenship thing and post a link? I'd try but I don't even know where to look. Probably Nessie would know! Nessie is often an excellent resource for info.

But this is a waste of time for people to continually go back and forth on it. It's amazing that we as Americans don't even know if someone can have dual citizenship with Canada. I know someone from Canada and he can't vote here. He thinks he could become a citizen here and just not tell Canada, and they might not notice, being the way they are about those things.
by Someone
Based on your posts, you didn't put that questionnaire up to learn anything. You put it up to insult Jews, Zionism and Israel.

Well if you want to ask questions, then why don't you SHUT UP AND LISTEN?

We have Israel because there are nuts like you who want to believe everything bad about the Jews and refuse to accept the possibility that Jew haters might have an agenda that involves lying.

Until you admit that you might be mistaken, I'm certainly not going to answer your biased little questionnaire, and hear you deny everything we say. I am not going to justify your prejudice. Why don't you try learning something about Jewish history before you judge? And I mean Jewish history, not what the Palestinian movement claims is Jewish history.
by q
I went about answering your questions in a civilized manner, and was hoping to start an interesting dialogue.

Unfortunately, what I got in return was anger and a diatribe. Diatribes don't solve problems, and they are certainly not interesting after you've heard them 1000 times.

Therefore, as I mentioned before, you can kiss my white ass you lowlife troll.
by bov
You haven't said anything about dual citizenship.

Although the posting may appear upsetting to you, it also asks some questions that no one on here can even answer. Obviously you didn't even try, but instead attacked the poster for asking questions.

The Sharon government and American's awareness of our complicity in pumping Israel full of arms (gee, wonder what will happen, eventually?), and the control over our own congressional races (i.e.McKinney) will begin to incite more and more anger against what people will broadly term 'Jews.' What can you post to help change that? Do you think attacking this poster will help? It's pretty juvenile. The person who ANSWERED the questions accomplished a lot more than you did by your childish response.
by q
What happened with McKinney's tace has nothing to do with inciting hatred and anti-jewish sentiment. Hatred is something that either a person is, or is not capable of.. In other words, anti-semitism (as most folks call it) is created by anti-semites. Or, to put it in even simpler terms, the girl being raped doesn't "ask for it".
by Anti-Fascist Activist
"Just Curious" is obviously a member of the Aryan Nations and the National Alliance as can be seen from the tone of his "questions" (as if he didn't already have the answers in his so-called "mind"). Neo-Nazi fascists like him must be totally and thoroughly confronted as they were last weekend and ultimately CRUSHED! Sub-human vermin of his type are a threat to peace and justice in this world. They must be destroyed like the utter excrement that they are.
by American by birth
http://travel.state.gov/loss.html

Although it is not illegal, and is allowed under certain circumstances, the state dept. strongly discourages it. There are several way you could lose your American citizenship. Personally, I do not think it should be allowed period.
by Conservative Woman
Wake up people! Especially ANTI-FASCIST ACTIVIST!!!!! It is the CONSERVATIVES of this country who are supporting the Israelis, and the LIBERALS who are sanctioning anti-semitism! You say that Just Curious is probably part of an Aryan Group? When I read the questions, I assumed just the oppostie- he is a tree hugging, bed-wetting, pinko liberal who thinks those "poor downtrodden Paletstinians blow up innocent people because they have no other recourse.'" Give me a break! These "poor downtrodden" people strap bombs to their toddlers for cute pictures for crying out loud. If someone did that to their kids here in America, they'd be rightfully arrested for child abuse.
by asdfasdf
"If someone did that to their kids here in America, they'd be rightfully arrested for child abuse. "

Oh come now, how many parents dress their kids up as GI Joe or teh like for Hallowean.

When you dont have any good points to make I guess it pays to invent some.
by B. Real
It seems like a particularly anal trait of Zionists to get so hung up on whether "just curious" is liberal, left, right, fascist ,nazi, tree-hugging... and they just love to call people nasty names. Ha ha sticks and stones... ha.

It seems to me that "just curious" is simply wanting to know what makes Zionists tick? Jews seem to be going thru some kind of identity crisis. They seem to need their "security blanket" of Israel as their Ellis Island, even more than the real Ellis Island, which may indeed be the next target of terrorism due to the terrorism that Israel has been perpetrating, paid for by our US tax payers $$$$$.

It is certainly not in America's best interests to be supporting an apartheid country like Israel. It's not even in the Zionist Jews' best interests either but shhhh.... we don't want to get them upset! They might go on a terrorist rampage! Somehow, it seems as if Zionist Jews kill Palestinians and their supporters, somehow that's OK. Isn't that kind of like the weirdo who kills doctors because he thinks that abortion is murder?

Some so-called liberal Jews who are so gung ho about civil rights in this country, yet somehow don't just don't see the injustices that Zionist Jews have been dealing the Palestinians since day one of Israel's creation.

Somehow Zionist Jews believe their own lies that Israel is a democracy. Or at least they tell us they do.

Somehow, I think all Zionist Jews need to see a therapist to get out our their massive collective denial and their deified persecution complex.

We can all see the truth. But you can't. Or you don't want to. Blinded by your own selfish needs and fears. Zionists Jews are the Zionazis oppressors of modern times.

What a pity. I pray that you all will someday see the light. The sooner the better for us all. Even Zionist Jews.

by daisey
at least theyre not arrogant
by GoD
B. real you are right on target, and funny as well.
by Presidential campaign<
B. Real for president!
by campaign mgr
Run, Forrest, Run!
by r.
q. has now demanded "just curious" to kiss his/her " white ass" twice! (see above).

Hmmm.... could q. be a WHITE JEWPREMIST?

(I just couldn't resist!)

Usually it's the Zionists who have the compulsion to try to label, categorize, demonize, pidgeon-hole and dehumanize people.... I guess it's their way of trying to control things. It won't work! Not here in America and not in Palestine! FREE PALESTINE!

by u r n s all
You hippies are hilarious, good show.
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