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Michael Albert gives the ISO a boot in the ass
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Excellent debate my Michael Albert from Z Magazine with Alan Maas from the ISO. Albert skillfully articulates the failures of Marxism and the agenda of the authoritarian ISO.
A timely debate on the failures of Marxism as an ideology for social change. Albert clearly articulates the problems with Marxism, and by default the authoritarian ISO, by carefully pointing out that an ideology primarily based upon economics that ignores the "coordinator class" favored by Marxists, is a dangerous proposition that leads to authoritarian states where politicians are replaced by a new hieararchy of coordinators (i.e. new boss same as the old).
For those who don't know, the ISO (the International Socialist Organization) is a cult-like authoritarian organization run primarily by university professors who recruit naive students to sell the ISO paper at political events.
see the debate:
http://www.zmag.org/debateiso.htm
for some humor on the ISO and other Leninists who attach themselves like leaches to popular movements, see:
http://burn.ucsd.edu/~acf/desist.pdf
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A timely debate on the failures of Marxism as an ideology for social change. Albert clearly articulates the problems with Marxism, and by default the authoritarian ISO, by carefully pointing out that an ideology primarily based upon economics that ignores the "coordinator class" favored by Marxists, is a dangerous proposition that leads to authoritarian states where politicians are replaced by a new hieararchy of coordinators (i.e. new boss same as the old).
For those who don't know, the ISO (the International Socialist Organization) is a cult-like authoritarian organization run primarily by university professors who recruit naive students to sell the ISO paper at political events.
see the debate:
http://www.zmag.org/debateiso.htm
for some humor on the ISO and other Leninists who attach themselves like leaches to popular movements, see:
http://burn.ucsd.edu/~acf/desist.pdf
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Funny. At the Cheney protest yesterday, I didn't see any anarchists. Wait. Take that back. There was the usual suspect from Berkeley.
In fact, I don't really see many anarchists doing any sort of political agitating and organizing, unless it involves punk rock, puppets, and bookfairs (read: intentional capitalist gatherings).
In fact, I bet the "smash the state" shirts they wear are made with sweatshop labor. Don't believe me? Why don't you check the tags of your AK Press t-shirts and see if they're union made.
Well, enough slagging the a-boys (alpha?) and girls. At least some of them help out with the IMC. Thanks.
However, his vision for a new world is about as inspiring and poetic as the DMV.
That's funny! I like that! But a sense of humor with this crowd will get you shot.
Much of this has little to do with real ideological differences and has everything to do with social dynamics. Socialists tend to be sectarian as a way to define their group; a group has to define itself as different from the other Communist groups by taking specific stands on historical issues (usually ones that most people these days care little about). Anarchists are sectarian more out of self rightousness or personal differences (pointing out problems in the dynamics of other groups that are real problems but also exist in anarchist groups). It is harder to work with a Socialist group if you disagree with them but you rarely get much personal animosity due to your differences. It can be hard to work with anarchist groups if you think for yourself due to the social dynamics among anarchists.
Anarchists hate the ISO due to the irritating pushing of papers, the ISO's ability to take over groups, the appearance of the ISO as a large hierarchical organization and only secondarily for differences that are really ideological. Anarchists specifically hate the ISO due to its size and success on campuses.
Socialists dislike anarchists due to the appearance of wishywashyness on major isues (there are so many strains of anarchism its a hard ideology to define and some radical anarchists are a little too accepting of rich libertarians who hate government mainly due to personal greed). Before Seatle socialists pretty much ignored anarchists but now there is a level of dislike caused out of the success of anarchists in terms of publicity. Also many Socialists dislike Anarchists since Anarchists are frequently the harshest critics of the Socialists.
Sectarianism is destructive from both sides. We ALL agree on most immediate issues and there is unfortunately little chance of a revolution soon, so long term differences seem irrelevent.